Yes, you are correct that I was using it to speed normal patching, in this case I was generating patch-matrix toggle elements in a grid that communicated with a matrix object via $0 (the details of that are discussed in a previous thread of mine). I was cut-and-pasting them to other patches, so the interpreted $0 was not useful to me. Typically, I ended up circumventing the issue while waiting for a response, but I can still see the use of this. I think it's perhaps more apparent in generating $1-$n as arguments.
I say it is a kludge because makefilename is essentially a wrapper, and moving things to be more pd-like consistently reduces kludginess. Just like the ability of 0.40 to use dollar-args anywhere within a symbol rather than just at the beginning, and the re-assignability of [send]; both reduce countless "kludges" of [list2symbol] or [makefilename]... perhaps it was "pd-like" to have 8 objects creating a single dynamic send but I prefer the... new pd-likeness : ) (though it's a few months before I'll be using it). Luke On 2/8/07, Roman Haefeli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 14:21 +0100, Steffen wrote: > On 08/02/2007, at 13.35, Frank Barknecht wrote: > > > Hallo, > > Roman Haefeli hat gesagt: // Roman Haefeli wrote: > > > >> [...] as far as > >> i can see it. the only case i could think of, that would require > >> litteral '$0's as abstraction arguments, would be, if you would use > >> dynamic patching just as a quicker way of patching. > > > > ... which actually is a very sensible usecase! > > In terms of state-saving? normally state saving is used to set variable controllers of a 'hardwired' patch/synth/hardware to a specific state, without changing the patch/synth/hardware itself. that is why i'd say, that when a dynamically created patch (more accurate: a patch, that contains dynamically created parts) is saved, this shouldn't be considered as a state-saving mechanism. what frank and i have been talking about, is rather that dynamic creation could also be used to speed up patching progress, so that dynamic creation is used as long the patch is not finished and when the patch is finished, no dynamic creation is involved anymore. such a scenario would require the ability to create abstractions with litteral '$0's as arguments dynamically. roman ___________________________________________________________ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de _______________________________________________ [email protected] mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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