On Sun Feb 25, 2007 at 01:51:33AM -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > > On Feb 20, 2007, at 9:14 PM, Derek Holzer wrote: > > > Hi Jared, > > > > for what it's worth, I've been working with PD for years and I still > > can't read most other people's patches ;-) > > > > Everybody has their own style, their own "handwriting", and some are > > more readable than others. Diving right into somebody's finished patch > > is pretty difficult for an experienced user, and almost impossible > > for a > > beginner, I'd say! If you were trying to learn German, would you start > > by reading Goethe? > > Partially, I think this is due to lack of common practice in coding > style and things like that. Most languages, programming or other, > have a lot of standard practices when it comes to writing them done > in different contexts. For whatever reason, the Pd/Max world has not > developed many conventions, and I think that makes reading other > people's patches harder.
it couldnt possibly be beacuse the whole point or essence of a patch is often sphaghetti, or that theres no way to zoom out to see all the subpatches and abstractions on a single window.. > > .hc > > > I learned PD by reproducing things which I understood already in > > stages, > > such as going from a quad-panner, a mixer, a sampler and a > > delay-network, to complex feedback-FM, a granular synthesizer and an > > algorithmic sequencer...etc etc. First I played around with the > > built-in > > examples, then I made simple things and basic utilities. After that I > > went back to the examples I skipped and figured out what I did wrong, > > and then I moved on to "porting" things from other apps I had used > > before and knew the structure of (AudioMulch units, Reaktor > > instruments, > > various VSTs, etc). These kinds of exercises are the ones I think work > > best. Start from a point you know, and figure out how to do it with > > the > > most basic objects in PD. If core PD doesn't do it, then it's time to > > reach for an external. > > > > best, > > d. > > > > jared wrote: > > > >> obvious similarities, but the more time I spend with PD the more they > >> feel like different beasts. I will definitely go back and start > >> from > >> square one with PD. > > > > > > -- > > derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl > > ---Oblique Strategy # 77: > > "Give way to your worst impulse" > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ > > listinfo/pd-list > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > "[W]e have invented the technology to eliminate scarcity, but we are > deliberately throwing it away to benefit those who profit from > scarcity." -John Gilmore > > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > _______________________________________________ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list