thanks man, i'll check this out - but, for the record, i'm not put off by the maths so much (they are needed to implement, after all :), but i am most interested in practical implementations w/ and explorations of the implications of the techniques - that's my main interest and, like pd itself, augments my learning style. :)
cheers & thx, star On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 18:04 -0700, Thomas Jeppesen wrote: > Not sure if it's exactly what you are after, but "the computer musical > tutorial" by Curtis Roads, takes you through it all in a not too > scientific/mathematic way. Actually I think it accompanies PD extremely > well. > > http://www.amazon.com/Computer-Music-Tutorial-Curtis-Roads/dp/0262680823/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-5380871-4068156?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1173978334&sr=8-1 > > I hope you'll find it useful. > > Cheers! > Thomas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "shift8" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "padawan12" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[email protected]>; "Josh Steiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 6:54 AM > Subject: Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths > > > > dude - you are a ninja. uhm, i mean, a jedi. seriously - i want to > > emulate you a bit when i grow up ;P > > > > that said, what resources would you recommend that illustrate calculus > > as used for signal processing, but from a more functional point of view > > as opposed to a theoretical one. i know there are dsp chip programming > > guides for engineering, but there seems to be only "how" and not the > > "why" in most cases there. too theoretical of descriptions makes it > > difficult for me to visualize the action or imagine the sonic > > implications of the theory being discussed. > > > > personally, i find that the application of theories make much more sense > > than the abstract theories themselves. maybe it's brain damage, or > > perhaps plain 'ol ignorance. > > > > but anyway, here's a simple example: > > > > someone tells me an empirical definition of the nyquist theory, it's > > hard to get my head around. but if someone says "hey, you can't sample > > a frequency that is >= 1/2 of the sample rate, because the wavelength is > > too short in duration to fit sample boundaries, and it causes > > distortions that are related to the frequency being sampled." that > > totally makes sense. i can picture that from a functional point of > > view, and then have a much easier time with the math an theory of it. > > > > are there any resources, books, etc out that approach the subject of dsp > > in a style like this? > > > > thanks and high regards, > > star > > > > On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 15:24 +0000, padawan12 wrote: > >> [pow~] is from cyclone, I think in the case I used it (pow 2) you can > >> replace it with > >> an equivilent [expr~] expression or [*~]. I thought [lowpass] and > >> [highpass] were vanilla. > >> They are needed to set the coeffs for biquad~ > >> > >> On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:49:29 -0800 > >> Josh Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > i seem to be missing: > >> > > >> > lowpass, highpass and pow~ > >> > > >> > running 0.39.2-extended-test7 on winxp > >> > > >> > -josh > >> > > >> > padawan12 wrote: > >> > > Sorry Hardoff, scratch that last load of rubbish. The parasite synth > >> > > is the > >> > > wrong patch, and I thought I was talking about different oscillators, > >> > > it > >> > > should have been something more like the ones here. The oscillator is > >> > > a dual-slope one in hoover-triangles.pd, much easier to pull out than > >> > > the last mess. > >> > > > >> > > Another take is the hoover-pwm.pd, which is a juno voice basically, > >> > > it's much brighter and > >> > > fizzy down low. It just depends what you want more in the low > >> > > registers, up high theres > >> > > not so much difference. > >> > > One is pulse width mod of a square, the other is slope mod of a > >> > > triangle, both have a bit > >> > > of frequency lfo on too at about 5 Hz. A fat Juno hoover noise uses > >> > > the fast chorus > >> > > so there's one on both versions. Each has the same sequence so you > >> > > can compare the sounds. > >> > > All the hoover flavours have a different character, like a highpass > >> > > resonant filter > >> > > makes an interesting addition. But what they share in common is a > >> > > busy sound made > >> > > by having 3 or 4 detuned components. Juno is a pwm + saw + square > >> > > mix, with the > >> > > square an octave down. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:34:01 +0900 > >> > > "hard off" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >> andy's tokyo techno one is cool. > >> > >> > >> > >> but i want hoovers. i keep try to make them and they always suck. > >> > >> there must have been a secret ingredient that i am forgetting. > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> [email protected] mailing list > >> > >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > >> > >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> [email protected] mailing list > >> > >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > >> > >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > ________________________________________________________________ > >> > tasty electronic music vittles -- bluevitriol.com > >> > the only music blog you need -- playtherecords.com > >> > you are the dj. interactive music -- improbableorchestra.com > >> > random observations of the bizarre -- vitriolix.com > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> [email protected] mailing list > >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > >> > > -- > > Mechanize something idiosyncratic. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > [email protected] mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.10/720 - Release Date: > > 12-03-2007 19:19 > > > > > -- Mechanize something idiosyncratic. _______________________________________________ [email protected] mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
