There have been a number of discussions about "flatspace" on the list, if you are interested in knowing more about the whole story, I recommend checking out the archives of pd-list and pd-dev
http://puredata.org/community/lists .hc On Jun 3, 2007, at 11:49 AM, David Powers wrote: > Just to be clear, I think this package is great, and clearly superior > to previous ones. I know it takes time, but things are clearly going > in the right direction! And I know it's hard sometimes to get everyone > on the same page in an open source project where things aren't managed > in such a hierarchical way. > > I'm still a little confused about this "flatspace" folder, ie. just > what is there and why. But most important, is that at least now I know > I should check it. > > ~David > > On 6/3/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Things are not moving to flatspace, that's from the "pd-externals" >> package build system. Unfortunately, a couple devs have been >> removing things from flatspace. It should be kept as is for >> backwards compatibility. >> >> You are right, all this stuff should be documented much better. It's >> a matter of someone doing the work, I don't think anyone is opposed >> to having more documentation. Part of the big drive for making Pd- >> extended is to have a common platform of all this code. If you used >> externals before the externals packages and Pd-extended, you'll >> remember lots of pain related to that. Now that it's starting to >> take shape, perhaps more people can contribute to making it better >> documented, work smoother, etc. >> >> .hc >> >> >> On Jun 3, 2007, at 11:25 AM, David Powers wrote: >> >> > Perhaps it's a matter of missing documentation? I don't think, that >> > discussing something on a mailing list counts as "documentation". >> > There is a readme file that loads up when I install Pd-extended, I >> > would expect such a file to tell me of the kind of changes that >> will >> > totally break my work when I upgrade. Perhaps just a big BOLD >> notice >> > telling users to check in flatspace folder for missing externals. >> > >> > I guess I missed all this discussion you refer to, but if I read >> this >> > list when I am in the middle of workday coding bad PHP or Ajax, I'm >> > not so likely to remember some things. In fact, the only thing I >> knew >> > about was counter, I had no idea about the random stuff and no >> > recollection of ever seeing this discussion. I guess that's weird, >> > maybe I'm getting old and forgetting everything... ;-) >> > >> > I guess I didn't realize how much was moving to flatspace, the >> > discussion made me think it was things I didn't really use and >> not a >> > very large amount of externals. Now that I've looked in that >> folder I >> > see what you are talking about!!! >> > >> > Anyway in this case I rebuilt the externals as abstractions, which >> > wasn't so hard. The randomF I posted was missing a loadbang >> though, so >> > attached is the corrected one for posterity's sake... >> > >> > ~David >> > >> > Anyway I missed a loadbang in my last patch, so here are the >> > >> > ~David >> > >> > On 6/3/07, Frank Barknecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Hallo, >> >> David Powers hat gesagt: // David Powers wrote: >> >> >> >> > Second issue, which to me is perhaps a bigger problem: the >> utility >> >> > externals seem to have disappeared from Gem with no warning. >> >> >> >> IIRC the "warning" was kind of discussed several times on the >> >> Gem/Pd-related lists, but nevertheless: the MarkEx files have been >> >> moved out of Gem to their own "library" called "markex" in >> >> pd-extended. There they are also part of what's called >> "flatspace" in >> >> pd-extended-lingo. >> >> >> >> Ciao >> >> -- >> >> Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ >> __goto10.org__ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> PD-list@iem.at mailing list >> >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ >> >> listinfo/pd-list >> >> >> >> <randomF.pd> >> >> <tripleRand.pd> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > PD-list@iem.at mailing list >> > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ >> > listinfo/pd-list >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> ---- >> >> kill your television >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can have three meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their minds, and dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits. - Martin Luther King, Jr. _______________________________________________ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list