On Sep 13, 2007, at 9:32 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote: > >> This is a "me too"-message from me: For the same reasons as Thomas >> I'd >> prefer to stick with "object". While "class" is more correct, I think >> the difference is something only computer scientists are interested >> in and Pd has a tradition of not always following the path of >> mainstream computer science anyway, because it's not a tool mainly >> targetting computer scientists but one targetting artists. I'd say,, >> reserve the term class for pd-dev. > > It occured to me that it may sound like I'd try to "dumb down" Pd for > artists, which is not my intention, so I'd like to clarify a bit: > > We're talking about what term to use in pdpedia for the descriptions > of the available building blocks for patches, mainly externals and > abstractions. When building patches, what users (scientists and > artists) deal with, are objects. The only thing you can do with a > class when building a patch is to make an instance of it: an object of > the class. > > So in the pdpedia context using the term "object" for the list of > building blocks in my view wouldn't be wrong at all. As "object" also > is the term that is generally used when talking about Pd patches > here--as in: "Just put an [osc~] object into your patch to make a sine > wave." Nobody says: "Instantiate the [osc~] class to make a sine > wave."--it is perfectly valid to use "object/symbol" on pdpedia. IMO > at least.
I am still up in the air about this. While many Pd programmers rarely write their own object classes (abstractions, externals...), I think this is not something that should be encouraged. I think we should be encouraging people to learn about writing their own object classes, by writing better docs, and improving Pd, and spreading the knowledge. Part of writing better docs is coming up with clear and concise terminology. There is an important distinction that should be made much clearer than it currently is. "class" is a term that is rarely used in Pd land, we don't have to use that term. But I think that we should make a point to make the issues clear, rather than just saying "most people will probably never use that idea anyway, and few people ever talk about it in detail, and everyone just says it like this now anyhow." On that note, I have yet to hear a term that I think really is the right one. But I do think that "objectclass" is a workable compromise for Pdpedia. And if no one ever uses the word "objectclass" outside of Pdpedia, I think that is also fine. How often do you use the word "disambiguation" or "selector"? .hc > > Ciao > -- > Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ > > _______________________________________________ > [email protected] mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ > listinfo/pd-list ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. _______________________________________________ [email protected] mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
