Here's an example where some ds stuff is drawn outside the bounding box by 
hiding it before the gop dimensions are set.  Move the red box to make the 
y-value and mouse-action appear.

For the y-value on the right, there's obviously a bug because if you quickly 
minimize and maximize the patch when it's visible, the gop box widens to 
compensate (in windows at least).

But the symbol to the left doesn't seem to affect the gop dimensions.  I'm 
guessing this is because I set it's x-value to a negative number.

I'd assuming this works with filledpolygon, but I haven't tried it yet.

-Jonathan

--- On Mon, 1/19/09, Luke Iannini <lukex...@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Luke Iannini <lukex...@gmail.com>
> Subject: [PD] Yet more DS GUI excursions
> To: "PD list" <pd-list@iem.at>
> Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 11:14 AM
> Here's another experiment with datastructure-based GUI
> replacements.
> As with Chris (with his recent excellent "expanding
> GUI" concept), I'm
> a big big fan of hiding complexity, and I also like keeping
> details
> and interaction "in context", as in, somehow
> connected to or growing
> from the control you're manipulating.  Apple's
> doing this tons lately,
> e.g., the new iLife
> http://blog.cocoia.com/2009/01/07/iwork-ilife-09-ui-roundup/
> ("HUD
> panel changes" is the only pic I can find, but there
> are many more
> examples in the new iMovie videos @
> http://www.apple.com/ilife/imovie/).
> 
> So, this is a simple context-bubble sketch: dragging the
> slider
> reveals a bubble with two different interpretations of the
> slider's
> value.  With the new "click" message, these could
> me more than
> transient datalayers, and could graduate to being actual
> interactive
> controls.
> 
> The biggest problem with this example is that the bounding
> box of the
> GOP needs to be bigger than the control to give room for
> the context
> popup to appear, meaning every control has a giant black
> rectangular
> halo.  It would be really awesome if there was a way to
> hide that box,
> just like IOhannes added the option to hide the object name
> and
> arguments.
> 
> Another really nice addition to DS would be variable
> opacity, so when
> I do a filledpolygon I can specify 9005 as the color to get
> a
> transparent red rather than just 900.  That would be of
> great use for
> both these context bubbles as well as, say, a sample range
> selection
> box where you can still see the sample data under the
> selection.  And
> as ever, a way to specify a persistent z-index for DS is
> pretty
> essential for any complex use.
> 
> Okee, that's all for the moment
> Best
> Luke
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