well, some people are habing problems sending us the Forms, I dont know why... maybe some browser bug... please dont panic, just try it gently and calmly, if any problems, let us know
pdco...@estudiolivre.org cheers On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 6:14 AM, <pd-list-requ...@iem.at> wrote: > Send Pd-list mailing list submissions to > pd-list@iem.at > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pd-list-requ...@iem.at > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pd-list-ow...@iem.at > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Pd-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Question on SSSAD and scalability (Frank Barknecht) > 2. Re: The PdCon09 webpage is down ... am I too late? > (IOhannes m zmoelnig) > 3. Re: steep filter? (Frank Barknecht) > 4. Re: Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th > deadline! (Frank Barknecht) > 5. Re: Pd book sprint in NYC/Berlin (Derek Holzer) > 6. Re: The PdCon09 webpage is down ... am I too late? (Jaime Oliver) > 7. Re: Pd book sprint in NYC/Berlin (Georg Holzmann) > 8. Re: Problems accessing Pdlist Archives (Derek Holzer) > 9. Re: Problems accessing Pdlist Archives (Alex Lucas) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:54:44 +0100 > From: Frank Barknecht <f...@footils.org> > Subject: Re: [PD] Question on SSSAD and scalability > To: pd-list@iem.at > Message-ID: <20090316075444.ga15...@footils.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hallo, > Mike McGonagle hat gesagt: // Mike McGonagle wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Frank Barknecht <f...@footils.org> > wrote: > > > > The context that I was actually thinking was in trying to do "live > > coding". Of all the times that I have been using SSSAD, my biggest > > complaint about it is that I would always need to resave, close, and > > reopen the file. It always seemed that the one instance of an SSSAD > > reference that I was deleting was the FIRST ONE. Of course, doing that > > was sure to make that parameters NOT SAVE, unless I reopened. > > A closebang would solve this. It will probably happen less often with local > sssads. > > > > Now if you really worry about the load of having a lot of > > > [route]-misses when sending message, I'd recommend to use the "local" > > > senders in sssad, that are used when adding a second argument to a > > > [sssad] object: [sssad key $0] will use a bus called [r $0-SSSAD] and > > > [r $0-SSSAD_ADMIN] instead of the global ones. > > > > My whole point of bringing this up has more to do with how an > > "external" (yes, actual C code) might be able to implement the SSSAD > > protocol. I can think of MANY EXTERNALS that would benefit by doing > > this... > > > > At the same time, that might make it appear that SSSAD is an accepted > > standard in Pd. And Miller, himself has written on this very topic... > > So, what is the means of storing data... is there one? > > Storing data is not in the realm of sssad - again this is by design and > comes > from my experience with RRADical/Memento where the storage was inside the > saving system and tied to [pool]. > > SSSAD is intended to to just one thing but do that right: Its purpose is to > eavesdrop on the messages that objects send to each other and distribute > them > to rsp. modify them from a central place. That's all. What comes after that > central place is up to the end user. It would be easy to make an external > that > does the same. sssad is just a wrapper around [list], [route] [send] and > [receive]. One "S" in its name stands for "simple". ;) > > > I'm curious, but how many "externals" do you have with RjDj? I can > > only assume that you can't do too much with it, other than the basic > > implementation of Pd. > > Hm, I don't understand this question? RjDj is pretty much pure Pd and has > almost no externals at all - which doesn't mean that you can't do much with > it: > For audio work Pd is very powerful and no externals are (strictly) > necessary. > > Ciao > -- > Frank > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:02:29 +0100 > From: IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoel...@iem.at> > Subject: Re: [PD] The PdCon09 webpage is down ... am I too late? > To: danomatika <danomat...@gmail.com> > Cc: "pd-list@iem.at" <pd-list@iem.at> > Message-ID: <49be0795.2050...@iem.at> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15"; Format="flowed" > > danomatika wrote: > > On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 19:58 +0100, IOhannes m zm?lnig wrote: > > > >> paper submit page: > >> http://pdcon09.devolts.org/author/submit.php > >> > >> paper upload page (once you have submitted it): > >> http://pdcon09.devolts.org/author/upload.php > > > > Thanks IOhannes, but I'm looking for the performance application ... > > > > you can (or "could", by now) submit performances, installations, > workshops and papers with the above two links. > > fgmasdr > mfasdf. > IOhannes > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: smime.p7s > Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature > Size: 3636 bytes > Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature > URL: < > http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/attachments/20090316/2f7c9b40/attachment-0001.bin > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:25:28 +0100 > From: Frank Barknecht <f...@footils.org> > Subject: Re: [PD] steep filter? > To: pd-list@iem.at > Message-ID: <20090316082528.gb15...@footils.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hallo, > Jo?o Pais hat gesagt: // Jo?o Pais wrote: > > > yes, I had seen that graphic as well. but trying out the highpass > > iemfilters with noise, turns out that 10 hip~s work better. > > Hehe, I guess that's because you filter noise: It's harder to recognize the > noise that the 10 hip stages added. :) > > > I looked in my list of pd-ext objects, but found no elliptic filters. are > > there any, or any way of getting their coefficients to use with biquad~? > > Elliptic filters are rather hard to design, most of the time you will find > Butterworth or Chebyshev designs in our little audio world. > > A biquad~ has only two poles and zeroes, so you would need to cascade > several > stages to get a really sharp filter. > > Ciao > -- > Frank > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:30:59 +0100 > From: Frank Barknecht <f...@footils.org> > Subject: Re: [PD] Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March > 9th deadline! > To: PD List <pd-list@iem.at> > Message-ID: <20090316083059.gc15...@footils.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hallo, > hard off hat gesagt: // hard off wrote: > > > yeah sorry frank, i should have explained more clearly. > > > > i also think that no GUI is the way to go for functional abstractions. > that > > was the big flaw of the DIY library i did, that the function of the > > abstractions was tied in with the gui component. i did it that way > because > > i didn't want to clutter the namespace with too many abstractions, and > the > > thought of one abstraction for function, and then a different one for GUI > > was not appealing at the time. > > > > but now, i think that is the only way to go. like, as you said, for > > polyphony. and then also for the many many cases in which you'd want to > > build your own gui for custom control. > > Yeah, basically that was all I wanted to say as well. ;) > > > i do think you guys have got a really really strong system there with > > rjlib. but i was just saying that without the gui stuff, it doesn't > exactly > > fit into being that 'all purpose building blocks' library that we are > > discussing. > > Yes, that's true. rjlib has its focus on audio and control abstractions to > be > used on mobile devices with vanilla Pd. Some of this fits into a "all > purpose" > library, but a lot of it doesn't. > > Ciao > -- > Frank > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:41:32 +0100 > From: Derek Holzer <de...@umatic.nl> > Subject: Re: [PD] Pd book sprint in NYC/Berlin > Cc: PD List <pd-list@iem.at> > Message-ID: <49be10bc.4010...@umatic.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > My tendency is to keep everything as simple and low-tech as possible. > Does video conferencing add anything substantial that IRC doesn't have > already? Do we want to do interpretive dance for each other in order to > write a FLOSS manual? Do we really need to look at another room full of > people sitting behind laptops across the ocean somewhere? Does anybody > ever actually watch these video streams from meetings like these? I > could see some sense if there was some sort of presentation aspect, but > these will be working sessions, i.e. very boring to look at . > > D. > > -- > ::: derek holzer ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ::: > http://www.vimeo.com/macumbista ::: > ---Oblique Strategy # 15: > "Ask your body" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 01:49:46 -0700 > From: Jaime Oliver <jaime.oliv...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [PD] The PdCon09 webpage is down ... am I too late? > To: IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoel...@iem.at> > Cc: danomatika <danomat...@gmail.com>, "pd-list@iem.at" > <pd-list@iem.at> > Message-ID: > <616283880903160149i6d48d63br41d7f8bc5c819...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > hi everyone i have been trying for hours to upload the pdf form, but > it doesn't work for me, should I just try to send it by e-mail? > > J > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:02 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoel...@iem.at> > wrote: > > danomatika wrote: > >> > >> On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 19:58 +0100, IOhannes m zm?lnig wrote: > >> > >>> paper submit page: > >>> http://pdcon09.devolts.org/author/submit.php > >>> > >>> paper upload page (once you have submitted it): > >>> http://pdcon09.devolts.org/author/upload.php > >> > >> Thanks IOhannes, but I'm looking for the performance application ... > >> > > > > you can (or "could", by now) submit performances, installations, > workshops > > and papers with the above two links. > > > > fgmasdr > > mfasdf. > > IOhannes > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > > > > -- > Jaime E Oliver LR > > joliv...@ucsd.edu > www.realidadvisual.org/jaimeoliver > www-crca.ucsd.edu/ > www.realidadvisual.org > > 858 202 1522 > 9168 Regents Rd. Apt. G > La Jolla, CA 92037 > USA > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:54:12 +0100 > From: Georg Holzmann <g...@mur.at> > Subject: Re: [PD] Pd book sprint in NYC/Berlin > To: Derek Holzer <de...@umatic.nl> > Cc: PD List <pd-list@iem.at> > Message-ID: <49be13b4.4030...@mur.at> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Derek Holzer schrieb: > > My tendency is to keep everything as simple and low-tech as possible. > > Does video conferencing add anything substantial that IRC doesn't have > > already? Do we want to do interpretive dance for each other in order to > > write a FLOSS manual? Do we really need to look at another room full of > > people sitting behind laptops across the ocean somewhere? Does anybody > > ever actually watch these video streams from meetings like these? I > > could see some sense if there was some sort of presentation aspect, but > > these will be working sessions, i.e. very boring to look at . > > You are right. > And if one really wants to speak/see each other, one can use ekiga, > skype or whatever ... > > LG > Georg > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:57:30 +0100 > From: Derek Holzer <de...@umatic.nl> > Subject: Re: [PD] Problems accessing Pdlist Archives > To: Alex Lucas <alex3lu...@googlemail.com> > Cc: pd-list@iem.at > Message-ID: <49be147a.4080...@umatic.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Alex, > > I had the same problem yesterday. There are three alternates listed at: > > http://puredata.info/community/lists > > Gmane, Mail Archive and Markmail. One of those should work for you. > > best! > Derek > > Alex Lucas wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > > > Over the last couple of days I haven't been able to access the Pdlist > > Archives by following the link on this page > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list. Has anyone else had the > > same problem or dose anyone know of an alternative link? > > > -- > ::: derek holzer ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ::: > http://www.vimeo.com/macumbista ::: > ---Oblique Strategy # 173: > "Voice your suspicions" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:16:49 +0000 > From: Alex Lucas <alex3lu...@googlemail.com> > Subject: Re: [PD] Problems accessing Pdlist Archives > To: Derek Holzer <de...@umatic.nl> > Cc: pd-list@iem.at > Message-ID: > <6b61086c0903160216m79ba0ecch27b317a42038f...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Derek, > > Thanks for your help, I really like markmail! > > Thanks, > Alex > > 2009/3/16 Derek Holzer <de...@umatic.nl> > > > Hi Alex, > > > > I had the same problem yesterday. There are three alternates listed at: > > > > http://puredata.info/community/lists > > > > Gmane, Mail Archive and Markmail. One of those should work for you. > > > > best! > > Derek > > > > > > Alex Lucas wrote: > > > >> Hello everyone, > >> > >> Over the last couple of days I haven't been able to access the Pdlist > >> Archives by following the link on this page > >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list. Has anyone else had the > same > >> problem or dose anyone know of an alternative link? > >> > > > > > > -- > > ::: derek holzer ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ::: > > http://www.vimeo.com/macumbista ::: > > ---Oblique Strategy # 173: > > "Voice your suspicions" > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/attachments/20090316/adf09b8d/attachment.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list mailing list > Pd-list@iem.at > to manage your subscription (including un-subscription) see > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > End of Pd-list Digest, Vol 48, Issue 72 > *************************************** > -- Alexandre Torres Porres cel. (11)8179-6226 Website: http://porres.googlepages.com/home http://www.myspace.com/alexandretorresporres
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