>Oh, wasn't the metaphor clear, really? nope
>well, no problem, here you go then... once more... there you go >We don't care to know if someone says; "Hey, I got a clarinet", we wanna know >what he is doing with it, in a sense that it'd make more sense if the person >would come and say; "Hey, check out, look what I do >with my clarinet". The >point here is to emphasize the instrument as a tool, a media, something that >you use to make an idea come true... so the point, in the end, is to present >this idea. the media should not >be the interesting thing, but the result! without a good media, we can't get good results, reverbs sounding like bathrooms were cool when Joe Meek used it fifty years ago, but now the situation is a bit different. >So maybe you need and want a shitty clarinet to achieve the objective you >have, maybe you need a quite expensive one. Nevertheless, the point is what >you do with it. The clarinetist of one chamber orchestra I've wrote for had to use a 'C' clarinette that sounded like shit to play all the notes, instead of her cool but expensive B flat, the result is that I don't liked the sound she had. (If you want to compare I can send you the files) >As I said, that are things you can only do in Pd... which is basically when >you need to program something. If you dont see that, maybe you dont need it! I use Pd for other purpose than trying to convince people I could make music with it, even if I've made several pieces with that it's possible to download. >And since we need to program it, we are the ones doing the thing, Pd is not >doing much for us. And yeah, you build stuff with it. So maybe you should not >waste your time building things that are already there, >why reinvent the >wheel? If you can do something in Pd, it doesn't mean it has to be done in Pd, >or that is easier to do it with it. I use the stuff I've built with pd for show numbers, like modern circus, and I don't tell all the world each time I use a pd patch. >So, anyway, if you build something in Pd that does not work, it is your fault, >not Pd's... if you built a clarinet in it that does not do what you want and >need, maybe you should ask a guy who's good at >clarinet building... It's not a problem of 'working' but a problem of 'sounding'. >hope it was clearer now, can't make it clearer than that I guess, by the >way... I do appreciate. >take care thank you for your effort in my understanding, but I still remain on the idea that pd is just a tool for learning dsp, but indeed it can be used for other purposes, maybe that is where the discussion has evolved, but when one knows how dsp works, I guess that person would use real developper tools to make his stuff, like a compiler. cheers 2010/4/15 < [email protected] > I would care about how the clarinette is sounding, if I or a skilled clarinetist can't make a melody with it, i would play with noises... Selon Alexandre Porres < [email protected] >: > > pd is just a tool for learning dsp, there is no such project that show how > > pd is cool to make people moving on the dance floor. > > Is that what you are really expecting pd to be or sound like? Well, indeed, > I disagree Pd would be a proper tool for that. And you are really wrong to > assume pd is only a tool to study DSP, although it is in fact really good > for that as well. > > Now, you are missing completely the points of using Pd, and if you can't > imagine why you would need pd to do things that you can only do in pd, maybe > pd is not for you... no, it ain't a money maker for the dance floor dj... > > I see musicians and artist that see why they need to do something in pd and > ask for help. It is common to have an artist creating a piece that uses Pd > without knowing how to program it, but working in conjunction with a > programmer. > > And of course, Pd can be only a minor (but essential) thing on the > project... you don't need to reinvent the wheel in Pd, or just use Pd if you > are using it... there is no rule for that... in a sense that I don't see > there is such a thing called "pd music". > > > who is the musician, Pierre Schaeffer, or Pierre Henry? > > I dont see the point here... Of thousands of people who work with computer > music/technology, do we only have mostly Pierre Schaeffers out there? Is > Pierre Henry the Only guy who gets to be a musician? If someone is using pd > then he can't be Pierre Henry or many other thousands of people I know > besides him that are actually great musicians? > > And yeah, nobody cares if someone comes out and says; "Hey, look what an > amazing I have here, I got a Clarinet!!! And I built it... or someone who's > really good built it for me!!!". All we want to know is, what do you do with > it, right? And we don't really care about the Clarinet. And if you don't > like it, don't blame it on the clarinet... > > cheers > _______________________________________________ [email protected] mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
