>a stradivarius isn't made in decade. neither good violin players...
2010/4/17 <colet.patr...@free.fr> > > In term of DSP processing I've found that Pure Data sound better than max, > it sounds like if we remove all the unnecessary electronics from a studio > mixerboard, > which is the good point, someone else in the list has already made a > comparission and C-sound seems to be the most promising. > > But beyond this we haven't got all the stuff proposed for building also > Music, > like music score editors, or internals with the base for building a decent > and light mixerboard, etc... > > all this stuff doesn't seem so necessary from an engineer point of view, > I might be very wrong again, but to go directly to the point, > because he knows where to look for in the patch. > > The influence of this relationship over the music often have tendances to > express musical forms > where we hear technical limitations. > > I figure it's just a matter of time of developping, a stradivarius isn't > made in decade. > > best > > ----- Mail Original ----- > De: "Alexandre Porres" <por...@gmail.com> > À: "colet patrice" <colet.patr...@free.fr> > Cc: "pd-list" <pd-list@iem.at> > Envoyé: Vendredi 16 Avril 2010 20h38:55 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / > Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne > Objet: Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd? > > > > without a good media, we can't get good results > > > Guess my point wasnt clear yet. I'm saying every media has its potential, > there's no "good" or "bad", anything can be best applied for some purpose, > even a "shitty" clarinet... it can produce sounds irregularly and with > spectral content that other clarinets might not... > > > BTW, this is a simple discussion about art and media and not about Pd, it > is not even a discussion about taste, but I can feel in your arguments that > you have strong preconceptions... you seem to have a strong fixed idea on > how things should or must be, about your taste and aesthetics, and I guess > that is just bad to mix that where it doesn't belong. That's why maybe it's > so hard to make myself clear... > > > >I don't tell all the world each time I use a pd patch > > > why should you, right? Unless someone asks I guess. > > >It's not a problem of 'working' but a problem of 'sounding'. > > > But Damn, it is you who's making the sounds... (!!!) Now this is completely > vague, and it seems you are missing the point of being objective and is once > yet again letting subjective aesthetical preconceptions or even something > else speak up more where it doesn't belong. In order for this discussion not > to be so pointless, you'd need to point out objectively what the hell you > are talking about. I guess the thread has also been mislead, are you saying > MAX or somethng else sounds better by the way? > > > cheers > > > 2010/4/16 < colet.patr...@free.fr > > > > > > >Oh, wasn't the metaphor clear, really? > > nope > > > > >well, no problem, here you go then... once more... > > there you go > > > >We don't care to know if someone says; "Hey, I got a clarinet", we wanna > know what he is doing with it, in a sense that it'd make more sense if the > person would come and say; "Hey, check out, look what I do >with my > clarinet". The point here is to emphasize the instrument as a tool, a media, > something that you use to make an idea come true... so the point, in the > end, is to present this idea. the media should not >be the interesting > thing, but the result! > > > without a good media, we can't get good results, > reverbs sounding like bathrooms were cool when Joe Meek used it fifty years > ago, > but now the situation is a bit different. > > > >So maybe you need and want a shitty clarinet to achieve the objective you > have, maybe you need a quite expensive one. Nevertheless, the point is what > you do with it. > > > > The clarinetist of one chamber orchestra I've wrote for had to use a 'C' > clarinette that sounded like shit to play all the notes, > instead of her cool but expensive B flat, the result is that I don't liked > the sound she had. > > (If you want to compare I can send you the files) > > > > >As I said, that are things you can only do in Pd... which is basically > when you need to program something. If you dont see that, maybe you dont > need it! > > > I use Pd for other purpose than trying to convince people I could make > music with it, even if I've made several pieces with that it's possible to > download. > > > > >And since we need to program it, we are the ones doing the thing, Pd is > not doing much for us. And yeah, you build stuff with it. So maybe you > should not waste your time building things that are already there, >why > reinvent the wheel? If you can do something in Pd, it doesn't mean it has to > be done in Pd, or that is easier to do it with it. > > > I use the stuff I've built with pd for show numbers, like modern circus, > and I don't tell all the world each time I use a pd patch. > > > > >So, anyway, if you build something in Pd that does not work, it is your > fault, not Pd's... if you built a clarinet in it that does not do what you > want and need, maybe you should ask a guy who's good at >clarinet > building... > > > It's not a problem of 'working' but a problem of 'sounding'. > > > >hope it was clearer now, can't make it clearer than that I guess, by the > way... > > > I do appreciate. > > >take care > > thank you for your effort in my understanding, but I still remain on the > idea that pd is just a tool for learning dsp, > but indeed it can be used for other purposes, > maybe that is where the discussion has evolved, but > > when one knows how dsp works, I guess that person would use real developper > tools to make his stuff, like a compiler. > > > cheers > > > > > > > > > 2010/4/15 < colet.patr...@free.fr > > > > I would care about how the clarinette is sounding, if I or a skilled > clarinetist > can't make a melody with it, i would play with noises... > > > Selon Alexandre Porres < por...@gmail.com >: > > > > > > > pd is just a tool for learning dsp, there is no such project that show > how > > > pd is cool to make people moving on the dance floor. > > > > Is that what you are really expecting pd to be or sound like? Well, > indeed, > > I disagree Pd would be a proper tool for that. And you are really wrong > to > > assume pd is only a tool to study DSP, although it is in fact really good > > for that as well. > > > > Now, you are missing completely the points of using Pd, and if you can't > > imagine why you would need pd to do things that you can only do in pd, > maybe > > pd is not for you... no, it ain't a money maker for the dance floor dj... > > > > I see musicians and artist that see why they need to do something in pd > and > > ask for help. It is common to have an artist creating a piece that uses > Pd > > without knowing how to program it, but working in conjunction with a > > programmer. > > > > And of course, Pd can be only a minor (but essential) thing on the > > project... you don't need to reinvent the wheel in Pd, or just use Pd if > you > > are using it... there is no rule for that... in a sense that I don't see > > there is such a thing called "pd music". > > > > > who is the musician, Pierre Schaeffer, or Pierre Henry? > > > > I dont see the point here... Of thousands of people who work with > computer > > music/technology, do we only have mostly Pierre Schaeffers out there? Is > > Pierre Henry the Only guy who gets to be a musician? If someone is using > pd > > then he can't be Pierre Henry or many other thousands of people I know > > besides him that are actually great musicians? > > > > And yeah, nobody cares if someone comes out and says; "Hey, look what an > > amazing I have here, I got a Clarinet!!! And I built it... or someone > who's > > really good built it for me!!!". All we want to know is, what do you do > with > > it, right? And we don't really care about the Clarinet. And if you don't > > like it, don't blame it on the clarinet... > > > > cheers > > > > > > >
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