On Jun 25, 2010, at 7:07 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, Bryan Jurish wrote:

I clearly and distinctly recall that you (Hans) mentioned to me off- list in 2008 that use of class_sethelpsymbol() was deprecated for pd-extended ("it is best not to use class_sethelpsymbol() at all" [for pd-extended]) and recommended that I remove those calls from my code

That's the usual mantra. Some kind of preaching without much justification. Thou shalt not use class_sethelpsymbol, thou shalt not use aliases, because it's ugly and wrong. it's wrong because it's ugly, and it's ugly because it's wrong. It's wrong because if you used class_sethelpsymbol, it would be ugly. (see also : begging the question !). It sounds like a seminar about young sheep being guided towards JAVA (Jesus Gosling was born in com.sun.labs.Bethlehem at the beginning of our era...)

Indeed.  The same holds (these days) for 'moocow'.  I still feel that
this discussion is relevant, though.

I don't think it's Hans' business to impose a helpfile style through deprecation of class_sethelpsymbol. Library writers deserve more freedom than that... EVEN if they decide to misuse it, then Hans should not seek to ban sethelpsymbol for example, and instead should go against the content or the filename, such anything that Degoyon decides to be teaching us about giraffe(s).


How about you guys all speak for yourselves and let me speak for myself. This time around, all I said is that there is the only time to use class_sethelpsymbol() is if the help patch is different than the classname of the object. Its redudant in that case.

.hc


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