On Sun, 28 Nov 2010, João Pais wrote:
I had a small look at [#many]. Do you think it would be better to use C-coded objects instead for this kind of "complex" gop abstractions?
Well, you see, Pd *has* to grow more means to solve problems using abstractions, so, I'm making the bet that I can solve this problem with abstractions. I don't know whether it'd really take less time with C code, and if I did, I wouldn't end up with more means to solve problems using abstractions. (I wrote small externals to support [#many]).
What makes you think that it would be better ?
I use lots of abstractions with gop (from my library, specially [m-i] for midi input), and it seems to me that at some point I have so many abstractions, that my patches take longer to load. But I didn't do a real test to prove this.
It seems that Pd on Windows takes several times more time instantiating abstractions than on Linux and OSX, especially with a full-blown path of 40 folders or so. This could be mostly fixed if Claude's abstraction-cache had been included in Pd, which can dramatically speed up abstraction-loading on all platforms, but probably especially on Windows (but I didn't check).
But this does not especially affect [#many], I'd guess. It would be a lot worse if [#many]'s elements could be abstractions, which is a planned feature. Then if you used a gop-abstraction name as the first arg of [#many], you'd trigger an insane number of lookups.
This might be mitigated by specifying the absolute path to the abstraction when instantiating. This wouldn't be a bad idea to have an external that can lookup that, because as it is, [#many foo 16 16] can't see foo.pd in the folder of the patch that has [#many foo 16 16] in it, and that's more than annoying, so, this issue has to be tackled anyway.
But apart from that... can you find any abstraction instances inside of [#many] ? I don't see any... so, it shouldn't be much longer to load.
GridFlow's three big abstractions are [doc_h] (9k), [#many] (10k), and [#camera] (12.5k), and among them, [#many] is the only to not load any other abstractions.
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