--- On Sat, 1/29/11, Josh Moore <kh405.7h3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Josh Moore <kh405.7h3...@gmail.com> > Subject: [PD] Am I alone? > To: pd-list@iem.at, chuck-us...@lists.cs.princeton.edu, > cso...@lists.bath.ac.uk, m...@bek.no > Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 9:16 PM > Well in my opinion most > electroacoustic shit is all surrealist/dadaist crap. [list I_agree Unsure WTF +1 Screw_you Welcome_to_the_list( | | [loadbang] | | | [random 6] | | | [+ 1] | | | [adddollar $1( | / | / |/ [ ( | [print response] > > The people involved try too hard to be the electronic > version of John > Cage, it's quite annoying. [0, 0 273000( | [line~] | [dac~] > In fact, I'm so against it that I'm going to come up with > a parody > album with actual good dance music > that uses elements of the academic code geek norm with real > electronic > music that have titles like > "computer scientists make for very bad musicians" and > "chainsaw in a > cave, recorded 6 feet down" > > In all seriousness though, i like the science. > > However, I believe that just because it's accepted > academically > doesn't mean that it will > put you ahead of everyone else nor do I like/take part in > the elitism > that follows which is ten > times worse. > > I read the CCRMA and IRCAM articles/publications, use Max, > Csound, > ChucK, and all of that jazz. > I even read the Pd/Max/Csound/Chuck mailing lists too but > I choose to > make actual music with those tools. [1( Make Music | | [0( Read pd list | / |/ | [0.5( Warning: untested!!! (apparently) | / |/ [actual_music~] | [dac~] > I use Renoise for sequencing because it can send open sound > control > data to the extra stuff, then I multitrack it > in whatever DAW I feel like using that day whether it's Pro > Tools, > Live, Logic, DP, or whatever really. > Most of what I make is just normal synthesis stuff, like > what you > would get out of a synth/workstation anyways > but I like the fact that I made what I'm using, or heavily > modified it > if it was sampled. > > An off subjerct example but relative is the guys with > modular > synthesizers. You can go to youtube and > see videos with these guys with big huge multithousand > dollar Buchla > synthesizers and they make this > repetitive crap that sounds like it came from lost in > space. Then, > they just keep turning knobs > and it's the same thing for five minutes. It's like, wtf is > that trash > nobody is going to listen to that... > > The technical ability to program synths is great, and I > love people > who take the time to be > scientific about their sound but to me the whole entire > point of music > is about being technical > with a control present. You can look at all of the great > classical > composers, marching band composers, > composers/musicians on labels and find the same thing. If I > was to go > to school to study music and > electronics, and figured out that I can get a plastic drum, > destroy an > alarm clock to make a contact microphone, > and do some basic signal processing I can do much the same > thing then > I would be asking serious questions. > > I guess for someone who's learning, that stuff is fine but > these big > institutions who teach music already > require one to take proper music courses in primary school > yet we find > 5 minute 20 hz drones everywhere > with some white noise. Are the teachers assigning this > stuff? Are they > mad? I grew up in a super small > area in Washington state and I've never been to college so > I wouldn't > know but what comes out of this > circle is baffling. > > Perhaps it was just the way I was musically brought up, I > don't know. > I had a crazy band teacher in > primary school who would flunk you if you didn't show up to > any of the > performances, and dock your > grade if you didn't practice so many hours a week that had > to be > logged and signed by a parent. Plus, > you had all the standard music theory stuff, tests on > melodic, > chromatic, harmonic scales, sometimes the > odd ones too, inversions, chords, and so forth. My mom > would listen to > Van Halen, Stevie Ray > Vaughn and Bluegrass music which in my opinion is very > technical. I > was into house and dance when > I was in my preteens to late teens and my mother used to > always say > that stuff isn't music > because it repeats too much. Eventually I saw her wisdom > and started > listening to lots of Prog Rock > and Aphex Twin, Radiohead, Industrial Metal, and stuff like > that and > it totally changed my view. > > I think it's all too easy to get caught up in the > technology behind > production, and leave the good stuff out. > Most of the stuff, including my own that's made with > computers just > doesn't have that same feel even > after I spent 8 hours programming complex drum patterns > note by note > in a numeric based step sequencer. > > However, in my case my own musical control would be the > simple math > that makes up harmony and melody. > Some however can defy this and still make good music, like > Sonic Youth > for instance or other people who have > experimental music actually published on a reputable > experimental > label. There's still structure there, what > is up with this other post-modernist stuff? > > Shouldn't artistic enrichment be the goal? Did I miss the > boat? > > To me, music is controlled noise. You can make a math > equation based > on chaos theory and apply it > to a sequence, but then it becomes noise. You can destroy > all sense of > scale and timing, but then it > becomes noise. > > I mean, i can sit there on a synth patch and make noise for > 8 hours or > I could just go write a song. > > Personally, I'll choose to write the song. > > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list@iem.at > mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list