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Today's Topics:
1. math + music examples (Joe)
2. Re: [PD-announce] pd 0.43-0 released (Lorenzo Sutton)
3. Re: cannot get pix_record to work (???????)
4. Re: pix_film frame control offset 8 MacOsX (chris clepper)
5. Re: The economics of Open source (Charles Henry)
6. Re: math + music examples ([email protected])
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 02:47:00 +0100
From: Joe <[email protected]>
Subject: [PD] math + music examples
To: pd-list <[email protected]>
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hello
i am trying to come up with some examples to use in a short workshop
with 11 year old kids using maths to make sound and music (music in
very loose terms that is). i would love to use pd for this. it can be
literally anything, as long as they can easily see a relation between
some basic math concepts (number sequences, patterns, etc.) and the
sounds they hear while interacting with the patches. the goal is not
to have the kids write the patches, but to make them *play* with them.
does anyone have any ideas for this? useful, easy to understand math
concepts that could be turned into little musical devices?
any feedback will be greatly appreciated!
cheerio
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:14:10 +0100
From: Lorenzo Sutton <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.43-0 released
To: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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Miller, all other devs, contributors etc.
Thanks for the new release!
Quick feedback from a *very* quick session on Ubuntu 10.04.
Compiled and installed with ./configure
--prefix=/home/lorenzo/bin/pd-vanilla so this is not a full system-
wide
install test.
- Everything went well audio works with both alsa and jack. alsa-midi
also works.
- Maybe due to specifying the PREFIX I don't get the error dmotd gets
- Where does pd pick the path for gui-rewrite plugins? In my case it
seems to search in /home/lorenzo/src/pd-gui-rewrite/startup/ which
actually relates to another development version I was messing with.
- As for the aesthetics issues. I'm personally happy with the
'standard'
white canvas (fonts seem to be erratic at every install): would it
make
sense to create a simple configuration file in the form param=value
holding the values as in he example Hans provided maybe with
simpler-to-read entries (making it up):
canvas.bgcolor=#E1E1E1
canvas.fgcolor=#000000
canvas.fontface='DejaVu Sans Mono'
canvas.fontsize=12
ui.bgcolor=#D3D3D3
ui.fgcolor=#000000
ui.fontface='Dejavu Sans'
ui.fontsize=12
etc.
That's it for now.
Ciao,
Lorenzo.
Miller Puckette wrote:
Hi all,
Pd version 0.43-0 is available on http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.htm
or via git from sourceforge:
git clone git://pure-data.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/pure-data/
pure-data
cheers
Miller
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 01:18:07 +0100
From: ??????? <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [PD] cannot get pix_record to work
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i have the same problem on OS X.
is there any other way to record GEM videos?
thanks
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Matteo Sisti Sette
<[email protected]> wrote:
I've also tried with "auto 1", with and without the bangs, and
nothing
changes.
On 03/13/2011 01:43 PM, Olivier Baudu wrote:
Hi,
I've recently tried all the codecs but without success... :-/
(pd-ext 0.42.5 // gem 0.92.3 // Ubuntu 10.04)
Sorry...
If someone knows a way to make it works, I'll be happy too...
Cheers...
01ivier
2011/3/12 Matteo Sisti Sette <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
? ?Some more detailed information of what happens:
? ?1 I start Pd Extended
? ?2 I open the patch which uses pix_record
? ?3 send it "codec 5"
? ?4 send it "open filename.mov"
? ?5 send it "record 1"
? ?6 send it a bang at every frame
? ?7 send it "record 0".
? ?(it is always receiving the gemlist)
? ?Result: it only records the first frame (not a black frame, an
? ?actual frame).
? ?If I repeat steps 4-7, i records only one frame again
(overwriting
? ?the file, as expected). If I repeat only steps 5-7, it does
nothing,
? ?doesn't even touch the file (this may be expected).
? ?If I close the patch (but not Pd), and repeat steps 2-5, it
crashes.
? ?This is Pd Extended 0.42.5, gem 0.92.3 compiled sep 22 2010
(comes
? ?with pd extended), Ubuntu 10.04
? ?Apart from the crash which I can avoid, is there something I am
? ?missing to have it record more than one frame??? Does anybody
know
? ?of a codec that gives less issues? (there are too many to try
them
all).
? ?thanks
? ?m.
? ?On 03/12/2011 08:18 PM, Matteo Sisti Sette wrote:
? ? ? ?Hi,
? ? ? ?Time ago I succesfully used pix_record in Windows by trying
? ? ? ?different
? ? ? ?codecs until I found one that wouldn't make it crash.
? ? ? ?Now I'm trying to use it in linux and I managed to create the
output
? ? ? ?file and it seems it records one black frame, but nothing
more.
? ? ? ?The file
? ? ? ?seems to have the correct dimensions in pixels but it never
grows
to
? ? ? ?more than a few Kb.
? ? ? ?I use "codec 5" which is ffmpeg mjpeg.
? ? ? ?I have:
? ? ? ?[gemhead 99]
? ? ? ?|
? ? ? ?[t b a]
? ? ? ?| /
? ? ? ?[pix_snap 500 500]
? ? ? ?|
? ? ? ?[t b a]
? ? ? ?| /
? ? ? ?[pix_record]
? ? ? ?Well I'm simplifying it, because I have a spigot so that the
? ? ? ?situation
? ? ? ?is equivalent to the picture above only after I've sent the
? ? ? ?"record 1"
? ? ? ?message.
? ? ? ?I send to pix_record, in this order:
? ? ? ?"file output.mov"
? ? ? ?"record 1"
? ? ? ?... now for every frame I send it a bang (and the gemlist of
course)
? ? ? ?"record 0"
? ? ? ?...now i stop banging it
? ? ? ?I've verified that pix_snap is snapping as expected (I've
tried
? ? ? ?putting
? ? ? ?a pix texture after it and using the texture on a square).
? ? ? ?Any idea?
? ? ? ?It prints this message to the console when it receives the
? ? ? ?"file" message:
? ? ? ?encoding as Quicktime (QT7 compatible)
? ? ? ?but it doesn't print any message when it gets the "record
1" and
? ? ? ?"record
? ? ? ?0" messages.
? ? ? ?thanks
? ? ? ?m.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:48:37 -0400
From: chris clepper <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [PD] pix_film frame control offset 8 MacOsX
To: Matthias Neuenhofer <[email protected]>
Cc: pd list <[email protected]>
Message-ID:
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That's not completely surprising since Apple is destroying the old,
useful
Quicktime and not replacing it with anything comparable. But, hey,
your
computer now acts more like your cellphone!
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Matthias Neuenhofer <[email protected]
wrote:
hm - beware for update 10.6.5
released nov 2010 - fits to my experience - i had no problems last
summer
with synchronization
of video + sound.
i tested also on MacPro and different MacBook Pro with 10.6.6 same
issue.
even update to 10.6.7 didn?t solve the problem.
m
Am 22.03.2011 um 13:37 schrieb chris clepper:
I tested this on 10.6.4 and the latest Pd-Extended and did not see
this
problem.
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Matthias Neuenhofer <
[email protected]> wrote:
Dear list,
i recognized that pix_film have an offset of 8 when trigger with
frame
number on 2. inlet.
When video is loaded the 1. frame is visible and stay sending 1 - 8.
Number 9 render the
2. frame, 10 the 3. frame ? but i can?t get back the 1. frame this
is only
shown up with loading.
It?s also not possible to get the last 7 frames.
The length of the video in the console is printed correct when
opened.
Can somebody confirm this. I?m working on MAc OsX 10.6.6 and tried
pd-extended 0.43,
0.41rc4 and latest 0.42. all the same behavior. Can?t remember on
which
version of MacOs
it worked correct last.
For easy testing here a 100 frame mov counting 0-99
http://matthias.neuenhofer.de/_testMOV/_testF75mov.zip
lg
Matthias
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 17:27:46 -0500
From: Charles Henry <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [PD] The economics of Open source
To: Mathieu Bouchard <[email protected]>, [email protected]
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I thought I'd pose a question to you, for academic curiosity. For
example,
in my current line of work, cluster computing, there's a lot of
possible
funding models for supporting maintenance, and they all have different
~unintended consequences. (ex) You lose customers, waste cycles,
delay
research schedules, and they all have some other costs associated.
Economics just works that way.
But in general, I wonder what produces the best outcomes for software
development. It's an impossible question to answer without having
much time
to waste, so don't try too hard :)
Could a open-source project with a funding model lead to better code
than a
professional solution?
Could you just dangle some cash on the end of a string and the cats
will
just herd themselves?
On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Mathieu Bouchard
<[email protected]>wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2011, Bernardo Barros wrote:
Hello , Mathieu! Well, I did not refer to implementation of new
features,
but the maintenance of that code that already works, fixing bugs.
Ok, so, basically, buggy software gets rewarded for requests to fix
bugs.
Bugless software is not rewarded : it does not pay. Therefore we are
encouraged to put enough bugs in there so that we get money.
Nevermind the
high-reliability ideals.
(Of course, don't let my comments prevent you from contributing
money. I'm
just trying to say that some assumptions about funding may
encourage the
wrong things and cause strange compensations.)
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:14:57 +0100
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [PD] math + music examples
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what kind of math problems are you talking about?
basics like + , - , * , / , or more sphisticated
give me a glue, so i can find something out of my punch of work, couse
my math is also very basical
looking forward
der.brandt
Zitat von Joe <[email protected]>:
hello
i am trying to come up with some examples to use in a short workshop
with 11 year old kids using maths to make sound and music (music in
very loose terms that is). i would love to use pd for this. it can be
literally anything, as long as they can easily see a relation between
some basic math concepts (number sequences, patterns, etc.) and the
sounds they hear while interacting with the patches. the goal is not
to have the kids write the patches, but to make them *play* with
them.
does anyone have any ideas for this? useful, easy to understand math
concepts that could be turned into little musical devices?
any feedback will be greatly appreciated!
cheerio
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