On May 7, 2011, at 2:02 PM, yvan volochine wrote:
IMHO it would be better to see what kind of extra libs/plugins are
loaded without debug level (it's easy to forget that you have this
maybe-buggy thing in your path).
I'd vote for posting those by default.
i'd do a gui-plugin that raises the debug-level.
That's always a possibility, you can set the default debug level
with a
one liner like:
set ::loglevel 4
As for what should be the default behavior, that's a tough question.
I've heard from a lot of newbies that having lots of text in the Pd
window at startup is quite intimidating, so I think its good to
really
only show errors and strong warnings by default. More advanced
users can
hopefully figure out how to set the log level.
I see gui-plugins more like "add-ons" and seeing that some of them
behave strangely, I think it's a good habit to have infos about
external libs being loaded in default debug level.
from a noob pov it could easily lead to problems such as:
- why is pd behaving strangely suddenly ?
- remove all your gui-plugins and try again ?
- ooh, I forgot that I used xxx-plugin which is breaking pd !
this kind of infos posted at startup would make sense to me:
Gem version x
Gridflow version x
xxx-plugin version x
...
but maybe that's just me ;)
I understand your point though and I'll remove it from my code.
Those Gem, etc version reports are just the thing that the people I
talked to were complaining about. If you are totally new, then being
hit with a wall of mystery text can be intimidating.
From my perspective, I also don't want to see anything but errors by
default, because I can always easily switch to see the debug log. I
think in this case, the interests of newbies and advanced users align
nicely.
Also, I think Pd-extended should include a number of plugins by
default, like perhaps your completion plugin. So that would mean that
the plugin reports would be shown by default.
.hc
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