2011/5/23 Mathieu Bouchard <[email protected]> > On Fri, 20 May 2011, Chris McCormick wrote: > >> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 05:12:09PM +0200, Bryan Jurish wrote: >> >>> If forty-two trees fall in a forest and no one is around to count them, >>> __forty-two__ trees have still fallen. >>> >> >> I am not sure about that. To think is to model small chunks of the >> universe. Very small chunks, quite inaccurately. The thought itself, the >> model, exists in the physical universe, as part of a human brain. In the >> words of Carl Sagan, "we are a way for the Universe to know itself." >> > > Ok. You guys are confusing « construct » with « mere construct ». > > You both agree that there _ideas_ that are _made_ and that are kept or > rejected on the basis of whether they are useful to talk about reality. > > The number «42» exists in nature in this way : it is a pattern that cause > human minds to come up with a concept that is the number «42» in order to > describe what's going on. > > > When you look at a Salvador Dali painting, where does it exist? I think it >> exists physically encoded on the chemical-electrical substrate of your >> brain. I don't think it exists outside of that. >> > > Dammit Chris, it's a PAINTING. It's made of PAINT. > > Even when YOU look at it. ;) > > (and non-paint reproductions are made of something else that isn't in the > brain) > > > The painting itself exists as chemicals on canvas, but until someone looks >> at it, models it, computes it with their brain, the scene it depicts does >> not exist anywhere in physical reality. >> > > The depicted scene is not the painting itself. > > I'm trying to say « the map is not the territory » in another way so that I > get understood. > > you need to look at this (copy of a) painting instead : > http://lyc71-dumaine.ac-dijon.fr/upi/img/guillaume/tableau_guillaume.jpg > > who is Guillaume? isn't this Magritte?
> or the modern version on the side of the Royal Victoria College of > Montréal : > > http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/010/0/3/ceci_n__est_pas_un_tag__by_ben_zen-d36vmd9.jpg > > Frankly, I think that's a misinterpretation, it's as if the original would have been "ceci n'est pas une peinture", which is false because it _is_ a painting. (unless it would have been a painting _of_ a painting that says "ceci n'est pas une peinture"...) uitsmijter: http://www.theonion.com/video/warcraft-sequel-lets-gamers-play-a-character-playi,14240/ gr, Tim > > _______________________________________________________________________ > | Mathieu Bouchard ---- tél: +1.514.383.3801 ---- Villeray, Montréal, QC > > _______________________________________________ > [email protected] mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > >
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