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Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A
Composition, Music Technology
Director, DISIS Interactive Sound & Intermedia Studio
Director, L2Ork Linux Laptop Orchestra
Assistant Director, CCTAD
Virginia Tech
Department of Music
Blacksburg, VA 24061-0240
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Ivica Ico Bukvic <[email protected]> wrote:

The said changes are in pre-git tarballs. I think they are also listed in the 
changelog under a specific date which should make things a bit easier to 
isolate. That said, implementation alters widgetbehavior struct by adding one 
more entry and as such it breaks compatibility with gridflow unless recompiled 
from scratch using the new .h file. Even then there might be other 
incompatibilities. That said, I've encountered none, other than gridflow. Of 
course, other externals need to be recompiled as well (but no changes to their 
source are required).

HTH

Best wishes,

Ico

Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A
Composition, Music Technology
Director, DISIS Interactive Sound & Intermedia Studio
Director, L2Ork Linux Laptop Orchestra
Assistant Director, CCTAD
Virginia Tech
Department of Music
Blacksburg, VA 24061-0240
(540) 231-6139
(540) 231-5034 (fax)
disis.music.vt.edu
l2ork.music.vt.edu
ico.bukvic.net

Hans-Christoph Steiner <[email protected]> wrote:


Hey Ico,


That's great, we need to do a lot more of that.  Can you point me to where 
these changes are so I can check them out?


.hc


On Nov 3, 2011, at 2:44 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:


Indeed, pd-l2ork moves entire selection by tag, so instead of redrawing 
everything, out issues single tcl/tk command. The only thing that still 
redrawed every time when displaced is gop-enabled patcher.

Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A
Composition, Music Technology
Director, DISIS Interactive Sound & Intermedia Studio
Director, L2Ork Linux Laptop Orchestra
Assistant Director, CCTAD
Virginia Tech
Department of Music
Blacksburg, VA 24061-0240
(540) 231-6139
(540) 231-5034 (fax)
disis.music.vt.edu
l2ork.music.vt.edu
ico.bukvic.net

Jonathan Wilkes <[email protected]> wrote:

I believe Ivica made such a modification in Pd-l2ork-- whatever the case, 
moving many iemguis in 
Pd-l2ork is much snappier than in Vanilla or Pd-extended.  But I haven't 
measured the cpu load.

-Jonathan


----- Original Message -----
> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <[email protected]>
> To: João Pais <[email protected]>
> Cc: katja <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" <[email protected]>; 
> Jonathan Wilkes <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 11:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [PD] how to capture window-related mouse-events when toxy is 
> discontinued?
> 
> 
> I doubt that Tcl/Tk's drawing code is being overloaded.  Instead, try 
> running "path/to/pd -stderr -d 3" and you'll see that 'pd' 
> is sending 'pd-gui' massive amounts of Tcl code to pa! rse, compile, and 
> execute.  In the case of a move, this could be accomplished with one line of 
> Tcl 
> to tag everything you want to move, then one move command to let Tcl/Tk do 
> the 
> moving.
> 
> .hc
> 
> On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:31 AM, João Pais wrote:
> 
>> those spikes is what I was predicting with the graphic overloading of 
> tcl/tk (through data structures, in this case).
>> 
>> you could also try the following: make the "selectable area" 
> around one corner (or middle) of the button: with a tiny bit more resolution, 
> but less points in the template. if you want to keep the squares, it's even 
> better, because it helps you selecting the structs.
>> 
>> Or one other thing: maybe can the tcl/tk code be changed, so that it 
> doesn't overload that fast? Reduce the redraw rate, or something else? (I 
> h! ave no idea about tcl/tk)
>> 
>> Or change the output rate of the struct object? (this might not help much)
>> 
>> 
>> About the background grid for instant jumps, an implementation of it in run 
> mode is easy. I could try to give an example, but don't have any time for 
> now.
>> 
>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: katja <[email protected]>
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Cc:
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 6:10 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [PD] how to capture window-related mouse-events when 
> toxy is discontinued?
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Jonathan Wilkes 
> <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> How does the cpu usage in my demo! compare to your patch where 
> you use
>>>>> a radiobutton?
>>>> 
>>>> Here's a cpu load comparison of objects dragged continuously 
> (on intel
>>>> mac 2GHz):
>>>> 
>>>> polygon in movable_box2.pd: 23 %
>>>> polygon in 07.sequencer.pd (help browser): 16%
>>>> radiobutton in moving_objects.pd: 12 %
>>>> regular Pd slider: 13 %
>>>> 2D geo in a gem window: 2.5%
>>> 
>>> I just got intermittent rises up to 50% on a dual core 64-bit amd with
>>> all of the above.
>>> 
>>> I imagine that the cpu load for movable_box2.pd is due to the number of
>>> points in the polygon.  I think you could get a 20x20 draggable square 
> with 8 coordinates-- that
>>> would be equal to the number of p! oints in a radiobutton so maybe that 
> would get down
>>> to a corresponding cpu load.
>>> 
>>> I'll try some tweaks later to see if that works.
>>> 
>>> -Jonathan
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Your polygon method is plain vanilla Pd and that makes it 
> attractive
>>>> for a widely shared Pd patch. No risk of broken dependencies. But I 
> am
>>>> afraid it is too cpu-intensive, particularly on Windows. Thanks for
>>>> sharing the idea though, it is inspiring.
>>>> 
>>>> Katja
>>>> 
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