Hey Scott - yeah I figured that was the case. Now let's make some art!
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Scott R. Looney <[email protected]> wrote: > sorry - looks like i wasn't being completely clear with that last statement. > it started out as a request to filter a particular member from the list. the > 'you should be aware' quote was more generally directed at everyone, not a > particular individual in question. as in 'if someone was going to single out > another on this list, they should be aware of their positive contributions'. > no offense or accusation was implied. > > best, > > scott > > > > > On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Dafydd Hughes <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hey Scott >> >> Ok - maybe I'm just being cranky (which I'm extra good at). Glad to hear >> this is still a welcoming place for newcomers. And to be clear, I'm >> definitely not talking about Mathieu. I've always appreciated his >> contributions. >> >> Cheers >> Dafydd >> >> >> >> On 2012-03-10, at 1:37 PM, "Scott R. Looney" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> i'll chime in first - as i am a new member of the list, and having >> trawled a fair number of discussion lists searching for material, i would >> say the PD list is kinder than most. i find the discussion on the list >> largely constructive (if not always relevant to my interests) with only an >> occasional sniping war starting up often based on someone's wording. lists >> are tricky things and writing doesn't always convey sarcasm or joking >> behavior effectively. thus someone gets offended and the flame war ensues. >> whenever this happens all of our inboxes get stuffed with the petty >> bickering and soon requests for filtering or banning members can follow. >> >> so far, i have not seen anyone regularly posting on this list whose >> positive and constructive contributions did not far outweigh their >> occasional negative aspects. i haven't read any posts lately that i find >> insulting and regular enough to consider banning them. if it were so, i >> would certainly mention it or support a motion to ban them. if we are >> referring to Mathieu Bouchard you should be aware that a large portion of >> his work inspired the current GUI direction of PD-extended discussed on this >> list, from his original DesireData variant of PD. that is enough for me to >> give him some measure of leeway when he chooses to express displeasure at >> others on the list, although i did not agree with his viewpoint that HC was >> taking credit for work he didn't deserve. Mathieu seems to want to move PD >> forward as much as the rest of us based on what i've read, but as always >> there will be some differences as to the best way to do it while keeping the >> values of open source collaboration intact. >> >> scott >> >> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Dafydd Hughes <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Put far more clearly and effectively than I did. Thanks Jonathan. >>> >>> On 2012-03-10, at 12:08 PM, Jonathan Wilkes <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> > I'm changing the subject so that a discussion about the change in tone >>> > of this list doesn't carry the unfair implication that it's due to one >>> > member. >>> > >>> > I don't see a problem complaining about the netiquette of a list >>> > member, >>> > but I just ask that it be clear, constructive criticism. >>> > >>> > -Jonathan >>> > >>> >> ________________________________ >>> >> From: Dafydd Hughes <[email protected]> >>> >> To: ALAN BROOKER <[email protected]> >>> >> Cc: mahatGma rabintrah <[email protected]>; [email protected] >>> >> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 11:06 AM >>> >> Subject: Re: [PD] Is there a way to block/filter Mathieu ? >>> >> >>> >> Hey folks >>> >> >>> >> Maybe I'm out of touch here, or hypersensitive (I quit smoking far too >>> >> long ago for it to be that, but I can totally sympathize with those >>> >> for whom it's fresh - hell, I still miss it 15 years later)... >>> >> >>> >> As I understand it, if there are complaints about the behaviour of a >>> >> specific member of the list, the first step is to approach the list >>> >> administrators. Is this correct? >>> >> >>> >> And there are pretty widely accepted norms about language (I'm talking >>> >> about agressive langage and expletives here) on the list, too, even if >>> >> they're not written down, correct? >>> >> >>> >> I took a bit of a break (about a year and a half) from regularly >>> >> reading the pd-list while I completed some schooling. Since getting >>> >> back to following the list, I've noticed a big change in the tone. I >>> >> have to agree with Alan Brooker: >>> >> >>> >>> Overall, I think the tone of late has become too belligerent, lets >>> >>> get >>> >>> some good will together. >>> >> >>> >> Had the mood on pd-list been like this when I started with Pd, I >>> >> probably wouldn't have stuck around. Instead, I found it an incredibly >>> >> supportive, open and generous community. That's one of Pd's strengths, >>> >> isn't it? >>> >> >>> >> cheers >>> >> dafydd >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> [email protected] mailing list >>> >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> [email protected] mailing list >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >> > _______________________________________________ [email protected] mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
