On Mar 11, 2012, at 7:02 PM, Scott R. Looney wrote:

> yes i have to admit i'm starting to judge the relevancy of a website at least 
> in part with design modernity. was just looking at various open source 3D 
> gaming engines and i could instantly tell the 2003-2007 era from the 
> 2008-2012 era. i still investigated what each site had to offer, but graphic 
> presentation added to the friendliness/accessibility factor. sites like the 
> current Processing site and Openframeworks.cc seem cleaner and easier to both 
> attract users and navigate.
> 
> my thoughts on the design:
> 
> overall an excellent beginning to a new look! it started me thinking about 
> possible further improvements. so consider this a design brainstorm thingy 
> with NO obligation that anyone has to do what i'm suggesting (especially 
> Marco who started the ball rolling). i don't have any time to do it at the 
> moment (i'm avoiding grading right now) but it certainly gives me ideas, so 
> here we go:
> 
> Navigation
> 
> i'm not pushing this but it seems like side based navigation is sort of less 
> common on modern websites? the look is pretty modern and clean however. 
> Processing (2 columns) and Ofx (2 or 3 - not sure) both use top navigation 
> which i think draws the eye better. i resisted top nav for a while but i 
> think it relates better to subject matter. bigger more graphic pictures on 
> the front page of various projects i think will attract more attention to the 
> artistic aspects. a better top banner is a MUST.
> 
> Exhibition page 
> 
> should definitely be overhauled with a much more graphic look whenever 
> possible. Marco's Xth-Sense, Billy's Helmholtz ship animation any other 
> graphic demonstrations of PD in action in realtime either audio wise or using 
> video manipulation ala Gem or whatever should be there in plain view, not 
> just a link to someone's website. No idea if Plone can do graphic grid 
> placement of thumbnails for videos but that's what comes to mind. i'm not 
> against a carousel video thing, but i think it's a consideration for future 
> design.
> 
> if it's just a patch processing audio, i don't know, maybe some audio 
> examples of the patch via a jquery-type player onscreen? the idea is to get 
> folks interested equally in what PD can do as well as finding out more 
> information about the artist if they are so inclined. 

Sounds like good ideas.  If you think those projects should be on the 
exhibition page, you should just add them:
http://puredata.info/docs/sitedocs/AddingToTheExhibition

The only rule is that you can't put projects in the exhibition that you had 
something to do with (no self-promotion).


> Downloads and Distributions - separate categories
> 
> at the moment if i wanted to find out what PD-vanilla or PD-extended was, i'd 
> have to go to the Downloads page. i'm not sure if that's intuitive enough. if 
> i wanted to find out what a distribution was about versus downloading it, i'm 
> not sure if i'd go to Downloads.
> 
> so maybe something labeled Distributions? then put PD-vanilla, PD-extended, 
> and something like l2ork there? i see a huge amount of talk on the list from 
> Ivo about his version and some of it's benefits. i think it should be listed 
> there. there should be Download links of course as well. 
> 
> Such a page might also be called 'About PD', give a brief history/description 
> of how PD itself works and then the other variants listed below with download 
> links?

One of the download sections is labels "distros".  Not good enough?

.hc



> Objects list
> 
> This is probably overly ambitious but existing objects or patches for 
> vanilla, pd-extended and 'unauthorized' contributed extensions would be great 
> to see described possibly in a simple table form grouped by category, or even 
> better, tagged in multiple searchable ways in a database. i ran into a 
> website listing all of the available objects and contributions from around 
> 2011 and actually started to pull everything off and reorganize everything 
> into a database in Filemaker but got too busy to do anything with it. ideally 
> some indication or form that could be updated by each contributor would be 
> useful. i would propose a form that at least highlights the following:
> 
> name | object or patch | category tag/s | vanilla or collection name (like 
> cyclone) | description(short) | distributions (extended, l2ork, whatever) | 
> documentation/example of patch | dependencies (which, if any)
> 
> this would sort out objects from patches and especially objects/patches that 
> rely on other libraries to be installed to work. if things were organized 
> correctly PDDP might be able to pull its info from this centralized database, 
> which might help cut down on redundant efforts.
> 
> allright i gotta get to work, feel free to discuss/elaborate/tear it 
> apart/whatever.
> 
> best to all, 
> 
> scott 
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