In Pd-extended, there is one central output~.pd, so there is no longer one in 3.audio.examples. Pd-extended's output~.pd is basically pddp/ezoutput~.pd remixed to fit into the exact same box size as Pd-vanilla's 3.audio.examples/output~.pd
.hc On 11/25/2012 01:56 AM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > Is this the same as the one in the doc/3.audio.examples? If so, why this > instead of ezoutput~.pd already provided by pddp? > > FWIW, I believe less is more and having multiple redundant abstractions > available makes both pd use and maintenance harder. > > On 11/25/2012 12:19 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: >> output~.pd is an abstraction included in pd/extra/ Pd-extended. >> >> .hc >> >> On 11/24/2012 11:32 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: >>> Scope~ and envgen work just fine here. Can you report what is broken with >>> them? As for output~, I am not even sure what library is this a part of >>> since >>> I don't use it. Since pd-l2ork by default does not load all libraries, you >>> need to explicitly call the object by its folder/lib, e.g. <libname>/output~ >>> >>> On 11/24/2012 09:16 PM, Esteban Viveros wrote: >>>> It would be amazing if Pd-extended 0.43 is put to work with jack... *.* >>>> >>>> Pd-L2Ork can't suply my expectations.. >>>> >>>> objects like [output~] [Scope~] [envgen] don't work on the L2Ork version >>>> here.. >>>> >>>> My last chance would be pd-extended 0.43... >>>> >>>> >>>> 2012/11/24 Hans-Christoph Steiner <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If someone can point me to the commit that fixes this, I'm happy >>>> to include it in Pd-extended 0.43. I just never use Jack, so I >>>> don't know what's what. Things work in my basic tests. >>>> >>>> I know that Miller changed this stuff in pure-data.git. >>>> >>>> .hc >>>> >>>> On Nov 24, 2012, at 5:58 PM, Gerhard Lang wrote: >>>> >>>> > Tx Ivica and Esteban, >>>> > as similarly afflicted user encouraged by this thread I followed >>>> this recommendation, replaced pd and pd-extended with pd-l2ork. >>>> > Works flawlessly together with jack 1.9.9-test5 from kx-studio >>>> ppa, dsp is switchable, some other bugs are gone, my patches run :D >>>> > You made my day and now I'm going to learn more about L2ork. >>>> > Gerhard >>>> > >>>> > Am 24.11.2012 17:35, schrieb Ivica Bukvic: >>>> >> >>>> >> With 1.9.8 and pd-l2ork all your problems will be solved except >>>> for the one caused by jack which in your case should not be a >>>> problem unless you physically disconnect (accidentally our >>>> otherwise) your audio hardware while jack is running. >>>> >> >>>> >> On Nov 24, 2012 7:44 AM, "Esteban Viveros" <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> HUm... Ok... I will try! >>>> >> >>>> >> But what the better? Jack 1.9.8 or 1.9.9? >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> 2012/11/24 Ivica Bukvic <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> >>>> >> >>>> >> That is the regression I spoke of in pd 0.43 branch. Try >>>> >> pd-l2ork... >>>> >> >>>> >> On Nov 23, 2012 9:27 PM, "Esteban Viveros" >>>> >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Ops... I did a better test, and doing first open Pd and >>>> >> then I open Jack. Now The DSP function work well, but I >>>> >> don't have sound... >>>> >> >>>> >> On messages box I have: >>>> >> >>>> >> 00:18:26.321 Patchbay deactivated. >>>> >> >>>> >> 00:18:26.373 Statistics reset. >>>> >> >>>> >> 00:18:26.388 ALSA connection change. >>>> >> >>>> >> 00:18:26.440 JACK connection change. >>>> >> >>>> >> 00:18:26.467 Client activated. >>>> >> >>>> >> 00:18:52.992 JACK connection graph change. >>>> >> >>>> >> 00:18:53.134 JACK connection change. >>>> >> >>>> >> 00:19:38.102 Client deactivated. >>>> >> >>>> >> 00:19:38.103 Post-shutdown script... >>>> >> >>>> >> 00:19:38.103 dreamstudio-restart-pulseaudio >>>> >> >>>> >> # making sure pulseaudio will restart if it crashes >>>> >> >>>> >> # starting pulseaudio >>>> >> >>>> >> # connecting pulseaudio to JACK >>>> >> >>>> >> Falha: A inicialização do módulo falhou >>>> >> >>>> >> Falha: A inicialização do módulo falhou >>>> >> >>>> >> 00:19:41.798 Post-shutdown script terminated with exit >>>> >> status=256. >>>> >> >>>> >> 00:19:44.297 JACK connection change. >>>> >> >>>> >> 00:19:44.311 Client activated. >>>> >> >>>> >> 00:20:38.543 JACK connection graph change. >>>> >> >>>> >> 00:20:38.693 JACK connection change. >>>> >> >>>> >> 00:20:42.648 ALSA connection graph change. >>>> >> >>>> >> 00:20:42.708 ALSA connection change. >>>> >> >>>> >> 00:20:42.709 ALSA connection graph change. >>>> >> >>>> >> 00:20:42.910 ALSA connection change. >>>> >> >>>> >> 00:20:45.334 JACK connection graph change. >>>> >> >>>> >> 00:20:45.514 JACK connection change. >>>> >> >>>> >> 00:20:52.993 JACK connection graph change. >>>> >> >>>> >> 00:20:53.014 Buffer size change (64). >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> What can I do now? >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> 2012/11/23 Esteban Viveros <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> >> <mailto:[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>> >>>> >> >>>> >> Hmmm... I can understand now... >>>> >> >>>> >> Well.. I tried now the version of Jack on kxstudio >>>> >> testing ppa >>>> >> >>>> <https://launchpad.net/%7Ekxstudio-team/+archive/testing> >>>> >> and the problem is the same... :( >>>> >> >>>> >> This ppa was install jack2, jackd and jackdfirewire >>>> >> packages on version 1.9.9 but the package >>>> >> libjack-jack2.0 is mantained on version 1.9.8 >>>> >> >>>> >> The next step will be to compile jack packages on >>>> >> version 1.9.9 >>>> >> >>>> >> Ivica, or anyone, you have some information how >>>> can I >>>> >> compile that? For that I need some help. >>>> >> >>>> >> Regards >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> 2012/11/23 Ivica Ico Bukvic <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> >> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> >>>> >> >>>> >> See below (from the linux-audio-user list): >>>> >> >>>> >> Re: [LAU] question about jackdmp's ability to >>>> >> detect its soundcard has disconnected >>>> >> >>>> >> Could this be the difference between 1.9.8 >>>> and git >>>> >> version? >>>> >> >>>> >> On Oct 29, 2012 12:10 PM, "Robin Gareus" >>>> >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> On 10/29/2012 03:55 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: >>>> >> > All, >>>> >> > >>>> >> > I noticed since upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04 that >>>> >> the default Jack server is >>>> >> > jackdmp (v.1.9.8). Please correct me if I am >>>> >> wrong but my understanding this >>>> >> > is the smp-enabled version 2 that is being >>>> >> developed in parallel with 1.x >>>> >> > series of regular jack. >>>> >> >>>> >> correct. They are also API and ABI compatible. >>>> >> >>>> >> > Either way, one of my concerns is that >>>> while in >>>> >> the old jack when one >>>> >> > accidentally pulled the soundcard jack was >>>> >> trying to talk to (e.g. a USB >>>> >> > soundcard), the jack would gracefully stop. >>>> >> >>>> >> In my experience it stopped but never gracefully >>>> >> (ie it crashed). but >>>> >> it's been a while since I used jack1. >>>> >> >>>> >> > The new version (and this could >>>> >> > be Ubuntu quirk) instead of stopping is pegged >>>> >> in some kind of a spinlock >>>> >> > that often times locks up the machine >>>> (this may >>>> >> be in part since I am >>>> >> > running a lowlatency kernel with audio group >>>> >> given priority) and at times >>>> >> > keeps it operational while hogging the cpu and >>>> >> making the computer barely >>>> >> > responsive until jackd is killed. Apps >>>> connected >>>> >> to jack that I tested so >>>> >> > far are also stuck in a loop waiting for a >>>> >> response from jack (although this >>>> >> > could be the app's shortcoming)--jack never >>>> >> broadcasts a signal that it has >>>> >> > lost the soundcard (AFAICT). FWIW I am running >>>> >> jackdmp through qjackctl... >>>> >> > Any thoughts on this matter would be most >>>> >> appreciated. >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> >> I can't reproduce this. jack2 stops the backend >>>> >> when the device is >>>> >> disconnected. You can switch to a new backend >>>> >> using jack_control >>>> >> (sending some Dbus messages to jackd) without >>>> >> re-starting jackd. No CPU >>>> >> hogging here. - I'm running jack2 - aka 1.9.9.4 >>>> >> from git. >>>> >> >>>> >> robin >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> Esteban Viveros >>>> >> >>>> >> (27) 8815 7170 >>>> >> (27) 3066 0359 >>>> >> (11) 95761 4125 >>>> >> (11) 2738 7868 >>>> >> >>>> >> www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros >>>> <http://www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros> >>>> >> <http://soundcloud.com/estebanviveros> >>>> >> >>>> >> https://www.facebook.com/estebanviveros.art >>>> >> >>>> >> http://www.papodecompositor-es.blogspot.com.br/ >>>> >> >>>> >> http://expurgacao.art.br/ >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> Esteban Viveros >>>> >> >>>> >> (27) 8815 7170 >>>> >> (27) 3066 0359 >>>> >> (11) 95761 4125 >>>> >> (11) 2738 7868 >>>> >> >>>> >> www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros >>>> <http://www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros> >>>> >> <http://soundcloud.com/estebanviveros> >>>> >> >>>> >> https://www.facebook.com/estebanviveros.art >>>> >> >>>> >> http://www.papodecompositor-es.blogspot.com.br/ >>>> >> >>>> >> http://expurgacao.art.br/ >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> mailing list >>>> >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> Esteban Viveros >>>> >> >>>> >> (27) 8815 7170 >>>> >> (27) 3066 0359 >>>> >> (11) 95761 4125 >>>> >> (11) 2738 7868 >>>> >> >>>> >> www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros >>>> <http://www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros> >>>> <http://soundcloud.com/estebanviveros> >>>> >> >>>> >> https://www.facebook.com/estebanviveros.art >>>> >> >>>> >> http://www.papodecompositor-es.blogspot.com.br/ >>>> >> >>>> >> http://expurgacao.art.br/ >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> mailing list >>>> >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> mailing list >>>> >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> mailing list >>>> > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> mailing list >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Esteban Viveros >>>> >>>> (27) 8815 7170 >>>> (27) 3066 0359 >>>> (11) 95761 4125 >>>> (11) 2738 7868 >>>> >>>> www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros <http://soundcloud.com/estebanviveros> >>>> >>>> https://www.facebook.com/estebanviveros.art >>>> >>>> http://www.papodecompositor-es.blogspot.com.br/ >>>> >>>> http://expurgacao.art.br/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> [email protected] mailing list >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> [email protected] mailing list >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> [email protected] mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > _______________________________________________ [email protected] mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
