On 02/02/2013 02:06 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Max <[email protected]> >> To: Hans-Christoph Steiner <[email protected]> >> Cc: Jonathan Wilkes <[email protected]>; PD list <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 1:32 AM >> Subject: Re: [PD] Apply missing >> >> Am 27.01.2012 um 17:39 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner <[email protected]>: >>> On Jan 27, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: >>>> >>>>> From: Max <[email protected]> >>>>> Am 27.01.2012 um 02:50 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner: >>>>>> On Wed, 2012-01-25 at 22:51 +0100, Max wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i noticed that in the current autobuilds of Pd-extended the >> property >>>>> dialogs for the gui-objects are missing the Apply-Button. Is that a >> bug or a >>>>> feature? >>>>>>> IMHO this is a bug - if you want to adjust for instance a >> canvas to be >>>>> the same size as another object of unknown size you can do that >> with a few >>>>> clicks and the help of the Apply button. If you have to click OK >> and then go to >>>>> context menu->Properties, set the size, OK repeately to do that >> it's >>>>> simply annoying. >>>>>>> >>>>>> That seems like a good enough reason, I brought back the Apply >> button to >>>>>> the iemgui Properties panel on Mac OS X. It was originally >> moved since >>>>>> the whole "OK, Apply, Cancel" is very Windows-like, >> but there >>>>> isn't an >>>>>> easy way to make to work better, so the Apply button is back. >> IMHO, >>>>>> when you change the setting, it should take effect immediately. >>>>> >>>>> great. i agree that ideally i'd like to be able to see that >> change happen >>>>> immediately. even better: when grabbing the bottom-right corner >> i'd have an >>>>> anchor to scale the object (see Max/MSP for that)… >>>> >>>> Also see: pd-l2ork >>> >>> I think you are referring to Ico trying to make the iemguis resizable live >> with a handle. I should finally get to releasing something useful form the >> tkwidgets lib, since that also includes resizing with a handle. >> >> I just had another Idea how to solve this: Two buttons: Cancel and OK when >> you >> change some properties in the Dialog the OK Button becomes labeled Apply. If >> clicked on Apply, the new properties are applied and the Button becomes >> labeled >> OK. If you click OK the Dialog is closed. >> That way a double click on Apply will apply and close the dialog. > > That would double the number of clicks for users who never want to use > Apply.
I think that we should avoid patch fixes and do the right thing. I think we should follow the example of Pd itself, but then also GNOME and Mac OS X preferences: changes should take effect immediately without having to hit apply or OK. Then there should be unlimited undo for returning to previous states. The first part o that is not hard, the second part is. But since unlimited undo is working in some parts of pd-l2ork, we at least have a working example to draw from. hc _______________________________________________ [email protected] mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
