On 03/03/2014 01:32 PM, Pierre Massat wrote:
I've looked seriously at data structures for the first time, and saw what Chris McCormick did with them, and I believe this is the way to go !

But you can't get notifications for mouseover or right-click events. You also cannot get transparency or control the z-order among multiple scalars. Nor scale or zoom without creating another complex and slow wrapper on top of data structures.

Don't get me wrong-- you can do interesting things with scalars, and you can build a wave-editor that looks quite advanced compared to what a GUI in Pd typically looks like. But you cannot get anything that looks remotely like a modern or even decade-old commercial wave-editor.

So I'd rather the documentation didn't send people searching around the corners of the software for features that don't exist.

-Jonathan


Cheers,

Pierre.


2014-03-03 8:44 GMT+01:00 Billy Stiltner <billy.stilt...@gmail.com <mailto:billy.stilt...@gmail.com>>:

    seems like there was something about the way i made the wave
    editor that worked,i  never tried overflowing the the things and
    my method is a hack of the pd file @xensynth and the lfo editor,
    otherwise holler at Mike Booth ala mmb.

    
https://archive.org/search.php?query=uploader%3A%22billy.stiltner%40gmail.com%22&sort=-publicdate



    On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:34 AM, Pierre Massat <pimas...@gmail.com
    <mailto:pimas...@gmail.com>> wrote:

        Hi Jonathan,

        I found it following this path : help for [tabwrite] -->
        More_Info --> all_about_arrays --> Common uses for arrays in Pd
        Bummer, I thought somebody would come up with a secret table
        manipulation technique that would make this statement true...

        Cheers,

        Pierre.


        2014-03-02 19:33 GMT+01:00 Jonathan Wilkes <jancs...@yahoo.com
        <mailto:jancs...@yahoo.com>>:

            From that help patch:
            #X text 12 115 HELP_PATCH_AUTHORS Updated for Pd 0.38-2.
            Jonathan Wilkes
            revised the patch to conform to the PDDP template for Pd
            version 0.42.

            I did the refactoring of that patch, but I'm not sure who
            wrote what you're quoting.

            I'd say that statement is false and should be removed.

            -Jonathan


            On Sunday, March 2, 2014 10:47 AM, Pierre Massat
            <pimas...@gmail.com <mailto:pimas...@gmail.com>> wrote:
            Dear list,

            I am working on a small patch which stores simple events
            in a table to trigger sounds later on.
            I would like to be able to edit the content of my table
            easily, which requires scrolling it, zooming in, and
            eventually editing the content.

            I have found away of scrolling the content, but it is very
            slow with relatively big tables (hem, even with a table
            with 20 000 samples...). Please see the example attached.

            I have 2 questions :
            1) Is there a more efficient way of doing this ? Copying
            only part of the content is worse (i've tried).
            2) Can I prevent the content of the table from spilling
            over the table to right of the left ? I get the same
            behaviour in a GOP, and putting a canvas next to the table
            to cover it doesn't work because the table content gets
            redrawn on top of it.

            This leads me to a more general question about something
            i've found in the help :
            "5 Wave editing: with proper manipulation of array data,
            Pd can be fully functional wave editor, complete with
            mouse-clickable cut-n-paste, pitch-shift, time expansion,
            down/upsampling, and other tools typically found in
            commercial wave editors."
            This has always sounded very appealing to me, but i wonder
            how realistic this statement is... unless i'm ignoring 80
            % of what can be done with tables in Pd.

            Cheers,

            Pierre.

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