thanks miller and school shoes,

my problem was grasping the „initial delay“ concept: its not adding one after 
the other but always refering to timepoint 0.
(my long years of working with max/msp hit me once again. in max/msp´s line~ 
times are cumulatively added, one after another.)

the flossmanual page set me straight on this, but may i suggest a slight change 
in the vline~-helpfile:
changing the complex messagebox to: 1 1000, 0 0 2000, 1 1000 3000
(instead of 1 1000, 0 0 1000, 1 1000 1000)
would -imho- make the concept of initial delay more easy to grasp.

now finally off to ramping to my hearts content...

hans

> Am 24.07.2016 um 02:58 schrieb school shoes <[email protected]>:
> 
> Hi 
> I have also been a little confused by this in the past but found the 
> explanation on the floss page helpful : 
> 
> http://en.flossmanuals.net/pure-data/audio-tutorials/envelope-generator/
> 
> I also only seem to get one ramp if I click the [1 1000 0, 0 0 1000, 1 1000 
> 1000( message in the help file 
> 
> but works if I  add “ 0 0 , “ to the start of the message
> 
> s s
> 
> From: Pd-list <[email protected]> on behalf of hans w. koch 
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sunday, 24 July 2016 9:53:19 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [PD] vline~ helpfile
>  
> hello,
> 
> maybe i am doing something stupid, but i don´t get the vline~ synthax:
> the helpfile states: "Any number of future ramps may be scheduled and vline~ 
> will remember them and execute them in order. 
> They must be specified in increasing order of initial delay however, since a 
> segment cancels all planned segments at any future time.“
> 
> then there is an example with a message box containing: 1 1000, 0 0 1000, 1 
> 1000 1000
> but it doesn´t do more than ramp from 0-1 in a little more than a second.
> isn´t it supposed to ramp up then down to 0 in another second and then up 
> again?
> 
> (using pd47-1-64 bits on osx 11.6. btw)
> 
> thanks for any pointers
> 
> hans
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