>I don't quite see why you are singling out [select] It's the only object that has ever given me trouble in this way. My guess is because almost all other objects that allow a list to modify their internal state will also output differently once that state has been modified. If your [+ 1] object suddenly starts adding 100 to every input, it's pretty obvious what's gone wrong, and can be quickly fixed. I think the reason why it's so sneaky with [sel] is that its main outlet only outputs a bang, and not a value. There's never a "wrong" value being passed, unless you are connected to its last outlet (which usually you aren't).
Anyway, i can fully accept that this is not considered a bug, but rather a feature that keeps the [sel] object consistent with all others. I'm not trying to stir up trouble, was just trying to point out the issue, cos it cost us a lot of time and effort to get to the bottom of a bug that was caused by that behaviour. I did have a good think about possible uses for the current behaviour, and i can think of one. [pack f f] | [sel ] is quicker than [pack f f] | [== ] | [t b] personally i would definitely use the second case, as it much more obviously shows the intent, but i guess the first way would also be legitimate. thanks everyone for the discussion. happy to consider this one closed now.
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