Em seg., 26 de out. de 2020 às 13:47, Christof Ressi <[email protected]> escreveu:
> MAX also has wiggling cables, so... > > On a more serious note: Max/MSP is a full blown commercial production > environment. You have video playback, graphics programming, a JavaScript > interpreter, VST plugin hosting, etc. You can't really compare it to Pd > anymore. > I agree, but [seq] has been there forever, before all that, before MSP I believe. > let's get rid of this idea that "vanilla only" is some kind of gold > standard. > I'm taking care myself of about 600 externals (cyclone/ELSE/PSYCHO), so yeah, I get that :) I still thought MIDI File support was something that could be built in ;) and I'm not all happy with the 2 externals around and thinking of investing more on a third one :) cheers > Christof > On 26.10.2020 16:31, Christof Ressi wrote: > > You mean as it is or with your PR? > > Generally, most non-trivial programming tasks are a pain to do in a visual > programming language. > > I never used it because the organization of that help file scares me. > > Then let's improve the help file! I have never used [cyclone/seq], so I > can't compare, but [midifile] has always worked fine for me. > > But MAX does. > > MAX also has wiggling cables, so... > > The idea of Pd has always been to keep the core as small as possible and > extend it with externals/abstractions. Since we already have (at least) two > decent MIDI file externals, why do we need to add it to the core? > > Being "vanilla only" is not some kind of merit - it just means the author > is being afraid of using externals ;-) > > Christof > On 26.10.2020 17:13, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: > > > > Em seg., 26 de out. de 2020 às 08:12, Christof Ressi < > [email protected]> escreveu: > >> I agree that we really need a way to read/write binary data. I have >> already thought about doing a PR to add such functionality to graphical >> arrays. It would be as simple as adding a flag to the [read( and [write( >> methods. >> >> In theory, it would be possible then to implement a MIDI file >> reader/writer as a Pd abstraction. But to be honest, I think only a >> masochist would do that :-) >> > You mean as it is or with your PR? > > >> On the other hand, mrpeach's [midifile] has always served me well and >> it's one of those things that don't really get obsolete. >> > I never used it because the organization of that help file scares me. Does > it have any advantages over cyclone/seq? > >> So I don't think that Pd really needs built-in MIDI file support. After >> all, even a kitchen-sink language like Supercollider doesn't come with >> built-in MIDI file support. >> > But MAX does. > > > _______________________________________________pd-l...@lists.iem.at mailing > list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > _______________________________________________ > [email protected] mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >
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