3. Re: mickfuzz's Pure Data FLOSS Manual, a message on behalf of
Pd's community (Jos? de Abreu)
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2021 10:36:17 -0300
From: Jos? de Abreu <[email protected]>
To: Alexandre Torres Porres <[email protected]>
Cc: Pd-List <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [PD] mickfuzz's Pure Data FLOSS Manual, a message on
behalf of Pd's community
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Em seg., 22 de nov. de 2021 ?s 09:41, Alexandre Torres Porres <
[email protected]> escreveu:
A follow up to the Pd-list. This wasn't all too easy and it was a bit
clumsy, but I gave my best as an internet stalker and was able to find
information on who 'micckfuzz' is, where he teaches, his work email,
and
got a response. Long story short: I'm now able to edit the FLOSS
Manuals
book!
But seriously, besides its tutorial (many of which I also have
problems
with, not to mention how outdated they are), I just think we need to
forget
about a second and parallel Manual on the wild and bring things to
Pd's
actual manual.
Hello, congratulations! and i disagree to this point, so i want to say
why
it is good to have a second pd "manual".
First of all, Floss manuals, while the name is "manuals" and you
already
said on the other e-mail that it is more a place with tutorials than an
actual manual to pd, it is a place that don't live inside pd (i mean,
it
isn't in the pd sources), and this has potential of documenting things
that
doesn't need to live with pd.
For example, we can talk properly about pd forks, the differences
between
them, we can teach people how to install some fork, we can create
tutorials
about externals, and put content that could make people easily choose
some
external for something specific that they want to do in their projects
(this is something that would also make the experience with deken
better,
people could go to floss and search for some topic, and find which
externals would need to use following some tutorial, and then download
them
from deken following instructions, this would be great for people
arriving
at pd!).
A second pd place would be great to put tutorials where the community
can
create and teach all sort of things, from basic examples of doing a
simple,
but complete project, explain some concept going from the start to end
doing it in practice, gather information pointing to other sites with
other
tutorials (think about "read more:" and put some links to other places
explaining the same subject, some relevant discussions on pd forum,
relevant e-mails, maybe even links without using pd at all, why not?).
I see potential in having such a place for the community. This
simplifies
the scope of the official manual to explain how pd works, make a
reference
for the objects and also a good start for beginners on how to use the
software, and point floss manuals as a place to see and learn more, and
contribute with more content too.
Having said that, i think we should update floss, make it point to the
official manual whenever possible to read about the references, and
make it
work together with the official manual. A truly beginner in computer
music
would benefit to learn basic concepts using pd, and maybe the pd manual
isn't the right place for that, but a tutorial using pd to teach these
basic concepts would work along with learning how to use the software,
and
i think floss is the place for that type of information.
I'll see now how to invite others to this.
Anyway, we have a new github page where we're discussing documentation
things, for those interested, see
https://github.com/pure-data/pddp/issues/22
cheers!
Em s?b., 20 de nov. de 2021 ?s 21:10, Alexandre Torres Porres <
[email protected]> escreveu:
Dear 'mickfuzz', on behalf of The Pd community, I'm getting in touch
with you (on this email copied to the Pd-list) in order for us to
discuss
the future of Pd's FLOSS Manuals as a community. Many of us would
like to
work on a revision of this manual or maybe, in fact, use a whole new
platform for tutorials.
For reference, please check an earlier thread on the email list
https://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2021-05/129652.html
It is our understanding that the FLOSS Manuals, as it is, it's very
outdated and should be archived for historical purposes. It is a
manual
based on Pd-extended. In fact, there is already an archived version
of the
manual here: http://archive.flossmanuals.net/pure-data/ Right now,
the
new FLOSS Manual that you seem to have created and maintain is just
the
same as the archived version, see:
http://write.flossmanuals.net/pure-data/introduction2/
Again, one idea is to just delete this, keep the archived version,
and we
work on a new one somewhere else. This is because I, for one, can't
even
create a new account on FLOSS to start working on it. I tried getting
in
touch to create a new account and nothing happened.
Please get back to the Pd list so we can discuss what we should and
could
do as a community.
If for some reason we don't hear from you and the new version of the
manual stays as it (the same as the archived version), we'll
disconsider
this new version/link in puredata.info and just keep a link to the
archived version and work on new similar tutorials as a community
somewhere
else.
thanks
Alex
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