Em dom., 24 de nov. de 2024 às 21:18, ydegoyon @gmail.com
<http://gmail.com> <ydego...@gmail.com
<mailto:ydego...@gmail.com>> escreveu:*
> they can fork it and even thank the author,
> but never pretend they are the author, dumb ill man.*
Unauthorized - the piece of software I was talking about -
clearly has you as the author. I don't know and I'm not sure
others know what you're talking about with PiDip being stolen by
an "unknown youngster", and I think you are an intelligent man
as to realize we're not shipping PiDip anywhere and that you are
not talking to whoever you are accusing of stealing your work
without credit. And ohboy, you're really trying hard to offend
me in a petty way :) I'm sorry I got that way into your head.
I didn't wanna brag about it, but I also have a 3rd divergent
trait, which is being highly gifted. My IQ scored way above
average and it masks my issues, as when I'm challenged by them,
the score drops to "average". Since you're so interested in my
conditions, check this diagram
https://tendingpaths.wordpress.com/2022/12/12/updated-autism-adhd-giftedness-venn-diagram/
(actually I'd like to raise awareness, this is really helping me).
*> unauthorized ( the real one, kept in GISS.tv git ) now have
the same license as PiDiP*
I said I cloned from your git <git clone
http://giss.tv/~git/git.cgi/unauthorized.git>. The license in
there, in all the objects I checked, was still 'GPL'. If you
changed it, you don't seem to have updated it or made new
versions based on your new license in the "real repository, kept
in GISS.tv".
I'm actually curious about the license discussion as I don't
know much about it. As I see it, once you release a version with
the GPL license, people can fork it and redistribute it forever.
I bet the Pd people know a lot about licensing and that is why
'unauthorized' was kept in Extended.
You somehow seem to want us to "remove" unauthorized from
somewhere. Well, where? We're not shipping it. We're not
maintaining it. I am actually trying to help you understand the
situation. We're all on the same page that "unauthorized" should
not be used. So I hope you realize how pointless this discussion
is. You don't seem to get things even being so smart and after
multiple explanations. If it's still confusing, I'll just give up.
I also added the information that, currently, the ones who are
still shipping unauthorized are Pd-L2ork and Purr Data. You can
try and reach and have a fight with them, but I don't think you
can get it out of there in the same way you couldn't get it out
of Extended.
The extended libraries were once uploaded to be installed in
Vanilla via our deken plugin. It was important to have these
libraries around in a transition phase period when Extended
quite unfortunately ceased and people were adapting. There are
new libraries being maintained and with alternatives.
Unauthorized is dead, abandoned, no one is maintaining it or
making new uploads. There's an old version there which doesn't
even run on newer machines and it has the old license and
explains how it was forked and even points to your original
repository. Isn't that good enough? Do you want us to upload a
new version with the new license so people can install
from deken? Can we leave it at that? Do you want it out of
deken? Under what reasoning?
It's part of my personal mission to offer alternatives from old
and abandoned libraries, from Extended and elsewhere. I already
have alternatives for a couple of objects I used from
unauthorized, like [grid] (I got [slider2d] and [pad] in ELSE
for that). Yeah, I lied I "never used it", but I don't consider
that using a couple of objects when I was using Extended means
I actually knew your library.
For the record, I will reinforce that now that I have
unauthorized cloned, I will look again on what's in there for
real, see if something is worth having an alternative to. And
regarding the topic of the thread, I'll investigate more about
what we have in Pd regarding streaming and will look into adding
those things into ELSE (and in PlugData by extension).
*> i might be ill too, but would not expose this on a mailing list.*
You're exposing yourself a lot though, seriously. Hey, time for
a peace offering here. I'll be bluntly honest, but I don't wanna
get into this petty silly exchange of offenses. You do seem to
have mental issues in the way you expose yourself and I'm
actually changing the way I feel about you.
It's ok for you to expose whatever you deal with, but I agree
you shouldn't expose them to justify your behaviour as people
don't have to take crap because you're not ok. And it's not like
you want to justify anything and be sorry for whatever you're
doing, you're actually doubling down. My case differs and, for
starters, it's not an "illness", they're divergent traits, and
I'm not using anything as an excuse to justify any
rude/offensive behaviour. On the contrary, I was defending
myself from silly attacks and insults, implying I'm stupid or
something ;) Whatever you have or don't have technically, an
illness or not, what I see is a confused and grumpy dude.
Regardless of the case, I'm actually just getting sorry for you.
My condition makes it really hard for me to not be bluntly
honest. It can haunt me for a lifetime if I hold things. For
instance, you were a real prick at PdCon09. It was a nightmare
dealing with you all along. I regret I invited you, insisted on
your coming, paid for your stuff, made sure you had all you
needed, because at literally the last minute you simply missed
the flight we had paid for you. I never told you how that made
me feel (I was also pretty busy at the event) and here I still
am, finding the need to tell it to your face how that screwed
us, how I wish I had invited somebody else instead, and how you
were just a dick about it. I don't need to expose the details,
people can just imagine how uncool it was. It's nice to let it
out, offer you a happy song and tell you how it felt, but I'm
now having mixed feelings and it's true I'm also just sorry to
realize you're still struggling with whatever haunts you after
so many years.
Ok, it is out, let bygones be bygones. I'm done. None of this
concerns the Pd-list, but I wanted to clear this wasn't just
some silly engagement without a history. On the other hand,
you're also coming back here and being offensive and rude in
general again. You're just revisiting how you mistreated people
about 14 years ago out of nowhere. So I'd like to clarify why
I took the stand and had the initiative to deal with you and not
let you have it easy this time around, and push you back if
you're just gonna make a scene again. I see others have an
easier way of handling this and just ignore you. That's way
harder for me, but it gets easier after I let things out.
I think the community is open to welcoming you back if you can
hold it together, as this is what was happening, you were being
treated nice, after all you did, but you blew it. To be honest,
I poked you and pushed you back cause I don't count on your
ability to behave. But if I'm wrong and you can be nice, welcome
back :) anytime!
Really, I'd be glad to collaborate and let bygones be bygones,
and help with what's troubling you. If you’re open to a more
productive approach and can keep things civil, I’m happy to
exchange. However, if that's not the case, I’ll disengage and I
guess others won't bother much as well.
cheers
