Shel (>) wrote:

> Dave posted:  
> > Neopan at 1600 is grainy as hell.
> > Shoot it at 1250.  Tmax at 3200 is
> > also grainy as hell, but I haven't
> > tried shooting it lower.
 
> Your comments are appreciated, but perhaps you can flesh them
> out a bit more.  Which developer(s) did you use when processing
> these films?  What time/temp/dilutions did you use, and what
> agitation cycle and pattern did you use?  What does "grainy as
> hell" mean?

        I agree w/ Shel and also find Dave's commentary in contradiction
        to my experience w/ Neopan 1600, which amazed me as to the
        fineness of its grain for a 1600asa film. I would suspect some
        sort of "error" along the way in Dave's experince w/ the film.
        I did mine up in D76, forget if I used dilution. It is a fine
        film if you can get by at 1600, though I tend to bump up the ASA
        rating w/ TMZ much more often - such is life in the darkness! 

        As to the initial question - we never learned just how old the
        films were? - I have used the TMZ well past expiration w/ no
        noticable difference from fresh. I tend to use the TMax dev w/ 
        it at 75-80 degrees "by the box" with modest modification if I 
        feel like altering development time relavent to my metering -
        sort of a half-assed winging it method of push processing. Just
        maybe a half or full minute difference using "best judgement".

        Lately I have been shooting most of the TMZ @12,800 for indoor
        stage sort of things - when outdoors or in "good light" (relatively
        speaking ;^)  I'll shoot at 3200  My theory is that if I am loading
        TMZ, there's a reason for it. Either I need it for the low light
        level or I am intent on high shutter speed. Shooting dancing girls
        on a tree-shaded stage w/ the 85mm at f5.6@1/500th or so at 3200
        or on stage at 12,800 at f5.6@1/250th - or faster if possible  :^)


        Bill
        
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