If anyone needs to use a small extension tube, note this:
the Pentax K tube set is cheaper than the KA, and the smallest
tube on the K set is smaller than the smallest tube on the KA
set.  The K tubes do not couple aperature, but my guess is this
doesn't matter on a bellows.

-Lon

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> In practice, it all means that you would need a small extension tube (or set
> of tubes) to use the Auto Bellows with the MZ-S.
> 
> The Auto Bellows allows for a minimum extension of about 37mm.  Another 8 mm
> would make that 45 mm.  They provide a maximum extension of about 163 mm, and
> the additional 8 mm you would add are no problem here... just bring the
> bellows in the extra 8 mm.
> 
> The only remaining question is whether the MZ-S baseplate is big enough to
> get caught on the bottom rail of the Auto Bellows.  This would limit some of
> the functionality of the bellows, which is different from working with a lens
> and extension tubes.
> 
> With a lens and extension tubes, you use your feet/body to move in and out,
> back and forth while you focus until you have the image size (magnification),
> framing, and focus you want.  It is a two part process, because anytime you
> turn the macro lens to focus it, you also change the magnification you are
> getting.  So you do a little dance until everything is just right.
> 
> With the bellows, you use the back (camera end) adjustment to move the film
> plane back and forth to focus.  This doesn't change the magnification/image
> size, it just brings it into focus.
> 
> You still do some of the gross moves in/out, back and forth to rough things
> out, but you set the image size and composition by fixing/finding the subject
> to front lens distance.  Once you have that established, you just dial in the
> back end of the bellows until the focus is right.  If you want to focus 1 mm
> deeper into the object, you fine adjust the whole rail on the tripod (lens -
> bellows - camera) by 1 mm closer to the subject.  The image size
> (magnification) and framing stay the same.
> 
> There are probably some combinations of lens - extension - magnification
> which are lost when you can't do 37 mm to 45 mm of bellows extension, but I
> don't think they amount to much.  Apologies for the long winded explanation.
> 
> Regards,  Bob S.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> >  It means that your bellows is going to be 10 mm farther away the film plane
> >  than it would be without the tube. In other words the bellows will stop
> >  short by 10 mm at the closest distance to the film plane and go out 10 mm
> >  further than before. So unless you have, for some reason such as the size
> of
> >  your subject, to work from a fixed position, it won't make any difference
> at
> >  all.
> >
> >  Don
>                  <<snip>>
> >  ----- Original Message -----
> >  From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>                         <<<snip>>>
> >  > ----- Original Message -----
> >  > From: Feroze Kistan
> >  >
> >  > > Hi William,
> >  > > Theres about 8mm btw the lents mount outer edge and the
> >  > > bottom edge of the protrusion-
> >  >
> >  > It looks like you need about 10mm of clearance to be able to
> >  > mount the bellows.
> >  > >
> >  > > How would the size of the image be affected by that combination?
> >  >
> >  > Not a clue, too many variables.
> >  >
> >  > William Robb

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