The word computer used to describe a person, one who computed. Mostly creating
endless tables of numbers for various uses so that others didn't have to do the
time consuming work, well for lots of reasons. It sounds like mindless soul
destroying drudgery to me. But then so much of life used to be and still is.
The Ojibway were a stone age people and as such had no need for computers. If
they had progressed, (and I really hate to use that term), technologically to the
point of needing computers they would have produced them, and named them.

At 02:49 PM 12/29/2002 -0600, you wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Blakely
Subject: Re: Numbers and the Golden Section


> All mathematics is counting - things exist or they do not.
Mathematics has
> therefore always existed. Because you may have no language to
describe
> something does not mean it doesn't exist. The symbology of
mathematics is
> the tool, not mathematics itself.

I dunno Bob. Can you separate the language (symbology) from the
concept and still have the concept survive?
We conceptualize by translating into a language we can
understand.
I don't think we use language to form concepts, rather we use
language to describe them.
I have a friend who's ancestry is Ojibway.
He is a computer technician, amoung other things.
In his native language, the closest he can come to saying
"computer" is something roughly "the head that has no body".
It's because the Ojibway had no concept for "computer", and the
few people who still speak that language work in (primarily)
English when working with computers, so the language never
adopted a term to describe the concept of a computer.

Now I am not saying that there are no computers, merely that
someone who spoke only Ojibway could not have invented them. If
the opposite were true, they would have a word for it.

William Robb
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
    Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.  --Groucho Marx

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