That was just the point some people are trying to make: numbers exist in nature. 
Nobody has doubted that numbers and fomulas are extremely useful in describing natural 
phenomena. 
All the best!
Raimo
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P�iv�: 30. joulukuuta 2002 14:45
Aihe: Re: Numbers and the Golden Section


>Mike wrote:
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>> Sorry, Bob, but I'm with Dr. Don on this one. What he's said about six times
>> is perfectly correct and I think you're the one not getting it. Mathematics
>> is a human invention and a late one. It hasn't "existed since the dawn of
>> time." How did it exist? Were there dinosaur math professors? It's a human
>> invention, practiced by humans, and it's evolving--it's a hell of a lot more
>> advanced right now than it was fifty or a hundred years ago, never mind
>> since the dawn of time. What, was differential calculus just out there on
>> the savannahs waiting for the Neanderthals to discover it?
>> 
>> What you're saying makes no more sense than saying that carburetors have
>> existed since the dawn of time. Or scissors, or opera.
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>This is a total misconception. The point isn't whether numbers exist in nature but 
>whether number can describe relations in nature. 
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>P�l 
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