Frank,

I like Kelvin's quote too, in part because when I try to express myself in art or 
philosophy or... photography I am reminded that my 'Knowledge' is so 'meager and 
unsatisfactory'.  <vbg>

Regards,  Bob S.

In a message dated 12/30/2002 5:08:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
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> Kelvin was a scientist.  He needed mathematics to explain what he was doing.  It was 
>his language.
> 
> Some things can't be completely explained with the language of mathematics (at least 
>not yet).  Many try to express these things with other "languages" (for lack of a 
>better term).  Sometimes philosophical treatises are used in an attempt to express 
>these concepts.   Some use art (I guess that's why many philosophers write novels and 
>plays).  Sometimes music, dance, and the visual arts (including photography!!) are 
>the medium of choice.
> 
> To Kelvin (and apparently some others on this list), if it can't be expressed 
>mathematically, the knowledge is "meager and unsatisfactory", because it can't be 
>expressed in "his language".  For others, the arts is a way to try to explain and 
>observe the world.
> 
> All are valid.  But, all fail to completely and satisfactorily explain ~everything~.
> 
> Which is why we have scientists, mathematicians, philosophers and artists.  And 
>which is why the lines between these disciplines are often very blurry, because when 
>you come down to it, they're all trying to explain the same thing.
> 
> Sorry if I'm not making sense here, because I'm really none of the above.  I'm just 
>a bike courier who like to take photographs.  <vbg>
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> > > Well, ok, but since thoughts of a possible ET arose in the mind of man
> > > mathematics has been described by scientists and science fiction writers
> > > alike as the only universal language with which we might begin communication.
> >
> > Personally, I have an old quote hanging in my office from Lord Kelvin.  You know, 
>the guy who invented the Kelvinator, the early models of the home refrigerator.  Lord 
>Kelvin said "When you can measure and express it in numbers, you know something about 
>it; but when you cannot... your knowledge is of a meager and unsatisfactory kind."
> >
> > It drives my marketing research/focus group colleagues crazy! <g>
> >
> > Regards,  Bob S.

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