I tend to agree with most of what Paul has passed on to us.

> I have made my expperiences with many Pentax 135 lenses :
> The 1.8 A, K2.5, K-Takumar 2.5, M42-Takumar 2.5, A 2.8, M 3.5

My 135mm experience is similar, except for the M 135/3.5, where my
135/3.5 is the K 135/3.5 (which is a different design).

> First : The 1.8 is the best of them all but nearly noone will sell
> it  (by good reason !).

Indeed.

> The second best is the K 2.5 (that U mentioned being on ebay)

Agreed.  I have sometimes (here on the PDML) referred to the SMC K
135/2.5 as "the poor man's A* 135/1.8".  Glass-wise, it shares the
same optical design as the K 200/2.5 and the A* 200/2.8 (the only
three Pentax lenses to share their particular configuration), and
that's "pretty good company" to be in - <g>.

> The 3.5 is not THAT good (in my opinion) - and that is supported
> by a big 135 lens test in german ColorFoto magazin in the early
> 80's. There were nearly all 135mm lenses...

The ~K~ 135/3.5 that I have is quite good, but, similar to what Paul
said about the M 135/3.5, maybe not ~that~ good.  In any event, I
would tend to usually take the K 135/2.5 over the K 135/3.5.

> The A 2.8 is really not a good lens !

I had one of these a number of years ago - briefly - <g> - and I was
surprised at how much better the "4 elements in 4 groups" design of
the K 135/3.5 worked, compared to the "4 elements in 4 groups" A
135/2.5.

> The M42-Takumar 2.5 I have is an SMC one and really great - but
> not on same level as K 2.5 (maybe because it's older and the SMC
> has been improved then). I use it with adaptor ring on my Canon
> EOS that I'm using too.

I used to have a screwmount SMC Takumar 135/2.5, and (from memory) I
thought it was about the same as the SMC K 135/2.5 - not
surprisingly, after all, since they are both basically of the same
optical design - but I didn't own them both at the same time, so my
comparison here may be a little weak in value.

> The K Takumar is really not bad ! It's made quite fine, has
> built-in lens hood (the K 2.5 and M42-Takumar or 1.8 don't have !
> you have to screw a lens shade on), is lighter, you have to beware
> of flare - you should leave the sun behind you - not in front,
> otherwise...

The Takumar Bayonet is really not that bad a lens, within its
non-SMC limitations, and should probably be rated as a "Consumer
Reports Best Buy" - <g>.  Well, except that those silly multicolored
barrel markings always tend to "bug me" - <g>...

> One thing : If you want to take portraits the K 2.5 may even be
> too sharp and contrasty - every line in the face can be seen.
> There the K-Takkumar is even smoother - many people liked
> portraits with the K-Takumar even better !

In the past, I think that one or two PDML-ers might have said that
they didn't find the SMC K 135/2.5 to be overly sharp, but my
experience has been that it is quite sharp.  But I tend to like
sharp portraits (even though my subjects don't always agree -
<g>)...

Fred


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