This isn't really a helpful tidbit but when my new digital camera arrived
(more about that in another post) I just plugged it into an open USB port
and XP recognized the camera and launched a file wizard that asked me what I
wanted to do with these files.  Very nice indeed.

Cory Waters
took a lot of pictures in the last 24 hours.  Almost all of them are crap.
So much for that "super-expensive camera makes me a better photographer"
theory :)
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Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: OT: Politics and Art-was: Leni Reifenstahl: A giant passes away


> > It is certainly a powerful record, and I appreciate it as much as
> > anybody, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking it's an inser's
> > view. If she was an insider then she must take her share of the
> > responsibility for events. She claimed she was not an insider. Her
> > pictures and movies are not in any way fly-on-the-wall stuff; they are
> > all rehearsed and cannot possibly be treated as documentary in any
> > modern sense of the word, so I don't see what glimpse we are getting
> > of this time.
> >
> > Where is the insight in her photographs & films? They are extremely
> > shallow. She saw only the surface of things. Look at what she has
> > influenced: advertisements for Calvin Klein; James Bond films; Annie
> > Leibovitz's celebrity portraits. Flashy, exciting, emotive, but
> > trivial with no depth. She was ahead of her time.
> >
> > > But then I've always tended to think that "art" can stand and be
judged
> > > independent of the artist. Good thing, since many famous painters have
> been real
> > > assholes in real life.
> >
> > In my opinion you can gain more from the art by knowing about the
> > artist's life. Knowing that Picasso was Spanish certainly adds to the
> > power of 'Guernica', for instance.
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> >  Bob        mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Well, I admit I tend not to like Picasso's work because he treated women
so
> lousily -- he really did. So I can't say I am totally indifferent to an
> artist's real life track record.
>
> Actually, I am not that fond of cubism, but Picasso's extreme sexism has
> tended to influence my attitude toward him. For me, his Spanishness is
very
> secondary. ;-)
>
> I feel it was an insider's look emotionally, which was the point I made
> before. It conveys some of the nationalism and insanity that frankly is
almost
> impossible to get otherwise. I said this before. I've never understood how
a funny
> little man like Hitler was able to sway a nation. How Germany (and many,
many
> Germans, I am not discounting the ones who did not go along with him, but
> many, many did) could get swept up into his insanity. From another
country, from
> later in history, it can be almost incompressible. Until one sees
something
> like Triumph of the Will.
>
> Watching it (many long years ago) was the first time I could *see* some of
> the charisma Hitler had, and could come close to understanding (not in the
head,
> in the gut), how it could happen. Watching the pageantry, watching the
march,
> march of led astray nationalism -- I could begin to see how it was not so
> impossible. So *that* is the insider's glimpse. Sure it was all
orchestrated, but
> that is exactly the point. The same thing, those very same propaganda
> approaches, were orchestrated for the German people -- orchestrated
exactly to sweep
> them up in the fervor. So the inside thing I was referring to is the
emotional
> insanity that went on.
>
> In that I think Leni did do her job too well. You can get it by watching
the
> film. You can get the *thing* they thought they had. The Reich that would
last
> a thousand years (for was it longer)? She, through her powerful
> visualization, through her masterful deliberate propaganda, caught the
propaganda going on
> at the time, caught the feeling of indomitable spirit that Hitler and
those
> soldiers thought they had. She caught the "triumph of the will." Now that
is
> art, that she could capture something so basically nutty and
incomprehensible.
> And by showing the rest of us the insanity -- the film by its very
powerfulness
> can explain some of that the insanity as well as it could ever be
explained.
> As well as it can ever be explained.
>
> I do not think that is without value. In fact, I think it has a great deal
of
> value.
>
> Unless we understand history we are doomed to repeat it.
>
> I do not think it couldn't happen again, given the right circumstances.
Given
> the same sort of propaganda, given an insane leader, given nationalism
> deliberately led astray -- given deliberate attempts to led it astray. The
German
> people prior WWII are no different from people anywhere in any country or
any
> time.
>
> Oh, well, I've made my points about as well as I can. You either get what
I
> am saying or not. I remain convinced she captured something valuable, and
did
> it extremely well. And I am not convinced that any one else, any other
film
> maker, could have done the same thing nearly as well.
>
> Marnie aka Doe
>
>


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