Jostein wrote:

> Please someone correct me if I have got this wrong; I'm going to attempt a
> coherent (don't laugh) description of my own understanding here...
>
> IMO, the  number of pixels can be considered to be a function of
> 1. the properties of the CCD used to capture the light, and
> 2. the software to interprete the captured data.
>
> I'm not sure I know all the properties involved, but at least there is the
> number of physical pixels, and their size (density), and the Bayer
algorithm
> involved to reconstruct a colour image from the physical pixels.
>
> To consider a 35mm equivalent, assume a 36x24mm CCD. How many pixels do we
have
> to put into a 36x24mm CCD to match the resolution power of a film?
>
> For simplicity, let's assume that this is equal to the size of film grains
that
> we can measure in a microscope. When that is known (i haven't got the
> number...), we can compare that to the pixel size on the chip. I am pretty
sure
> that eg. Provia 100F grain size is smaller than current pixel size in eg.
> *istD.
>
> And here's a problem; there is a physical limit to how small pixels can be
> before they start to behave erratically. The size used in the *istD is
thought
> to be quite optimal, if I have understood this right.
>
> If the above is correct, the optimal 36x24mm CCD is one with approximately
the
> same pixel density as the *istD has, which would amount to ca. 14
Megapixels.
>
> I don't know if 14 Megapixels in 36x24mm is even close to the grain size
of
> ProviaF, but let's assume that it was...:-)
>
> Those 14 Mpix must be subjectet to Bayer interpolation before we can see a
true
> RGB image. The interpolation will tend to smooth out details that are
smaller
> than the smallest cluster of pixels used in the interpolation. I'm not
sure
> exatly how this affects the final image quality, but I suspect that this
is the
> reason why skin tones and blue skies look smoother with digital, while
grassy
> fields or tree branches and twigs look smeared out. Especially in
low-contrast
> situations.
>
> So, even if 14 Mpix was equivalent to film grain number, CCDs would be
less able
> to hold detail (I think this is where the Foveon concept excels over Bayer
> interpolation).
>
> This means that you would need more pixels per area than you have film
grain per
> area to record the same level of detail. If film grains can be made
smaller
> than CCD pixels, film will win hands down. And that's no matter what
format you
> compare.
>
> Another discussion is whether the lenses exist to give you full value for
either
> recording media. If the practical resolving power is less than pixel/grain
> density, the difference between film and CCDs is suddenly not _that_
important
> any more.
>
>
> So Nenad,
> I'm not at all sure I know any better than you, I'd rather learn than
teach. I'm
> just testing my own grip...:-)
>
> Cheers,
> Jostein
>
You're too modest Jostein!  You've put together a very coherent and logical
analysis.

Regards
Nenad

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