John Forbes wrote:

That's true. But manufacturers have to take a bet on what they think the market will want, and plan accordingly.


Where is the mystery????????????????? From here it is a no brainer............... :-P

Otis Wright



John

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:27:41 -0500, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Its not up to pentax, it up to the market. if everybody
else ends up with reasonable priced FF DSLRs in few years,
pentax with have to swim or die.
JCO

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I suspect that Pentax thinks the future is digital, and will over the next
few years abandon film ,and therefore the 35mm format. I doubt that
Pentax will release any new 35mm lenses or cameras after they have dealt
with what is already in the pipeline.


In other words, they do not (I suspect) intend to support two formats in
the future.

John

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:29:55 -0500, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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huh? By bringing out APS lenses, they ARE supporting
two formats, 35mm and APS!
JCO

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-----Original Message----- From: John Forbes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 6:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: *ist-D and the wide angle lens dilmena


I don't believe Pentax has the resources to support two different dSLR
formats, and the fact that they are bringing out lenses in the APS format
means that is the format they have hitched themselves to.


It is also too early to start talking about the limitations of the APS
sensor.  I am sure Pentax believe that more resloution can be squeezed
out
of it.

Finally, a Pentax is an enthusiast's camera, not a pro's camera, though
some pro's do use them, especially those who appreciate the small size
and
weight. I would guess that Pentax do not consider that there is
sufficient demand within their market place to support 35mm sensors, and
the necessarily higher cost and file sizes.


Of course, what is so sad is that manufacturers did not produce a
relatively low resolution 35mm sensor at the begining.  By "low res", I
mean something capable of the same sort of pixel count as present APS
sensors.  This would surely have been easier, and therefore cheaper, to
produce than the necessarily much higher density APS sensor, and would
then have left the door open to much higher resolutions later.

But as it is, don't hold your breath waiting for a 35mm sensor camera
from
Pentax.  It won't happen, unless they make a huge shift in strategy,
which
will be very costly for them.

John

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:36:35 -0500, Peter J. Alling
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I think that there is now at least some evidence that Pentax listens to
this list and probably to others as well,
Witness the 1.1 software upgrade, which made K/M lenses useful. If they
do they will think twice about
abandoning the aperture ring. Full frame sensors on dslrs? Well that
depends on how inexpensive they become
as components. Other manufactures are willing to step in to support a
constituency which is something Leica is
finding out. Christian Skofteland wrote:


----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Studdert"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

How is the DA 14/2.8 a dead end?

It doesn't provide full frame coverage, it has no aperture ring, it's
good


only

for one digital camera, hopefully won't work properly on the next (if
we


are

blessed). >


Careful, if you hold your breath too long you may turn blue and pass out... ;-)

My prediction for the future of Pentax DSLRs: No 24x36 sensors and no
aperture rings. As a matter of fact, if Pentax releases more 35mm SLRs
they
won't need aperture rings either. And I'd put money on no new lenses
having
aperture rings as well. (they may still produce and sell older lenses
with
the rings, but no new designs will have them). Pentax is SHOWING us
the
future. We can bury our heads in the sand and ignore it or we can open
our
eyes, accept it and move on. I'm holding my breath for another DSLR
with
the same basic features but higher pixel count and (maybe) some kind of
in-the-body-IS. I'm not deluding myself into believing that Pentax
will
develop a line like Canon or even Nikon are and I'm certainly not
thinking,
hoping, wanting a DSLR (or film body) with complete backwards
compatibility
to M and K lenses. It would be futile.


My US$1.00

Christian









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