Because flaws in software go beyond the blatantly obvious... -Shawn
-----Original Message----- From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 5:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME Really, I didn't know that. Interesting. So how come Windows is still so vulnerable to virus attacks? Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 20:23, Shawn K. wrote: > You can set up windows to do the same thing Antonio. > > -Shawn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 2:53 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME > > > Shawn, you cannot install any software on OSX unless you enter the > Admin password - therefore by design a virus cannot install and run > itself which is the big problem with Windows. > > Antonio > > On 18 May 2004, at 19:33, Shawn K. wrote: > >> Its not a matter of examples antonio, its a matter of computers having >> certain essential qualities. You cannot "by design" eliminate even >> virii!! >> If a person opens a piece of software, sent to them by whatever means, >> and >> they run it on their computer, you can't design that out!! 99.99% of >> todays >> spyware is installed BY THE USER!! You cannot eliminate that "by >> design" or >> you would be eliminating the functionality of the OS. Not to mention >> that >> many cookies track users... There is simply no way to COMPLETELY >> secure a >> computer without making functionality sacrifices. I guarantee you >> that OSX >> has flaws in it, and if enough people cared to exploit those flaws, >> they >> would be found and eploited. Its the nature of software to have >> flaws. >> Even UNIX has flaws, and OSX is based on UNIX so no doubt OSX has >> flaws as >> well. >> >> -Shawn >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 1:59 PM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME >> >> >> Ok, I am open to being wrong. Could yo point me to some examples? >> >> Antonio >> >> On 18 May 2004, at 18:58, John Francis wrote: >> >>>> >>>> "As far as I am aware there is no spy-ware nor viruses on OSX. I >>>> believe >>>> that is by design." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> GAHHHHHHH Sorry, Antonio, but you are completely and utterly wrong >>>> on this >>>> account. >>>> >>>> -Shawn >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 12:07 PM >>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME >>>> >>>> >>>> Well OSX runs just fine on my G4 1 gig. Do you own a Mac? Nobody >>>> said >>>> OSX was 64 bit either. As far as I am aware the new G5 chips are 64 >>>> bit >>>> but OSX isn't yet. As to price I think you are wrong, a similarly >>>> specced Wintel machine will cost the same or more than a Mac. Did >>>> you >>>> not hear about the Virginia Tech big mac - the worlds 3rd fastest >>>> super >>>> computer, at the fraction of the cost of competing systems, >>>> including >>>> AMD and Intel. >>>> >>>> As far as I am aware there is no spy-ware nor viruses on OSX. I >>>> believe >>>> that is by design. >>>> >>>> Antonio >>>> >>>> >>>> On 18 May 2004, at 16:52, Shawn K. wrote: >>>> >>>>> OSX flaws... For one thing OSX is hugely processor hungry. For >>>>> another, >>>>> I'm sorry to say, but it isn't 64 bit either, thats just some BS >>>>> the >>>>> Macintosh marketing department fed you. So before you go ranting >>>>> on >>>>> Microsoft, I think you should pause and think about how Mac's are >>>>> largely >>>>> way more expensive than an equivalent windows machine, and >>>>> Macintosh >>>>> is just >>>>> as likely to lie to you as any other big company. Also, regarding >>>>> the >>>>> spyware, that has nothing to do with windows, spyware is a >>>>> legitimate >>>>> software in the eyes of the OS, it's just legitimate software that >>>>> spys on >>>>> you... Spyware does not exploit a flaw in a the system... It can >>>>> just >>>>> as >>>>> easily show up in a friggin Unix supercomputer should someone feel >>>>> the >>>>> need >>>>> to write such a program. What would be the use of writing a Mac >>>>> virus?? >>>>> Yeah imagine the chaos when artists around the world can't doctor >>>>> up >>>>> their >>>>> image files... It's not quite the same as costing corporations >>>>> billions now >>>>> is it?? Or using a virus to DOS a large website like SCO and >>>>> Microsoft??? >>>>> You couldn't do that writing virii for a Mac, and thats why you >>>>> don't >>>>> see >>>>> them for the Mac. >>>>> >>>>> -Shawn >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 11:25 AM >>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows ME >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I don't need to. I also use Mac OSX, which is virus free and works >>>>> like >>>>> a dream come true. But that doesnt mean that I should not be >>>>> dissatisfied with shoddy workmanship. I guess if Windows were a >>>>> small >>>>> bit player I would give them some more slack - but the market >>>>> leading >>>>> de facto world standard in computing? I think they should be doing >>>>> betterl, a lot better. >>>>> Antonio >>>>> On 18 May 2004, at 17:17, Bill Owens wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Antonio Aparicio" Subject: Re: Anyone still using windows >>>>>>> ME >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What happened, did I run into a room full of Microsoft >>>>>>>> shareholders >>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>> something? All I said was that Windows was a substandard >>>>>>>> operating >>>>>>>> system and that it was riddled with viruses and spyware and that >>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> users deserved better, especially given the money the company >>>>>>>> makes. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you're so dissatisfied, invent an operating system to replace >>>>>> it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bill >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
