> Teleconverters are about weight and bulk, not about cost.
> If you travel through Africa on a motorbike to take photograps, it's 
> a good idea to carry some nice 2.8 high quality lenses along with a 
> teleconverter.

I couldn't agree more, (especially being a motorcyclist myself) maybe a 80-
200 f2.8 Pentax + a quality 1.4X and 2X, let's see that gives us 112-280 f3.9 
and a 160-400 f5.6.

280 f3.9 yes that sounds reasonable especially with the optics of the Pentax 
lens in question, 400 f5.6 where have I come across that before? ah yes 300 
f4 with 1.4 TC

> But using the
> converter with a relatively cheap 4-5.6 lens to save cost is 
> nonsence. If you choose cheap, slow lenses, just buy one more and 
> forget about converters. Just my opinion.

I have a supplement on lenses came with a Photo Mag entitled 'The Great Lens 
Supplement' oddly enough. The best zoom tested was the Pentax 80-200 f2.8
�2000 scoring 89% it's closest rivals were Nikon 80-200 (85%) and Minolta 80-
200 (85%) they never tested the Canon, for some reason Canon did not submit 
in that range but chose 75-300 IS (77%). In the same supplement appears the 
Sigma 300mm f4 cheap as chips under fixed focal length @ �700 scoring (89%) 
beaten buy some real budjet rivals Canon 135 f2 �1000, Minolta 85 f1.4 �920 
and just matched by the Leitz 100 f2.8R �2098.

Does it matter how much the lens costs providing it gives you the
results you crave? 

I'd love a 300mm f2.8 but just can't justify the cost, I do not need to use 
my photographic skills to earn a living (unfortunately!)


John Whittingham

Technician

---------- Original Message -----------
From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:10:02 +0200
Subject: RE: Teleconverter Crap

> Teleconverters are about weight and bulk, not about cost.
> If you travel through Africa on a motorbike to take photograps, it's 
> a good idea to carry some nice 2.8 high quality lenses along with a 
teleconverter.
> Then you can leave maybe 2 or 3 heavy lenses at home. But using the
> converter with a relatively cheap 4-5.6 lens to save cost is 
> nonsence. If you choose cheap, slow lenses, just buy one more and 
> forget about converters. Just my opinion.
> 
> Jens Bladt
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: John Whittingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sendt: 5. juli 2004 20:04
> Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Emne: Re: Teleconverter Crap
> 
> > 1.    Using a teleconverter with a wide angle lens is nutsoid. (imagine
> > putting a 2X on a 24 or 28mm f/2.8 to obtain a really slow normal
> > lens.)
> 
> I don't recall anyone mentioning wide angle.
> 
> > 2.    Teleconverters are really only useful on fast lenses. You can
> > put a 2X converter on a 300 f/4, but then you get a 600 f/8. Trying
> > to get a sharp focus at f/8 sucks, at least for my old eyes.
> 
> It's a good job the 600mm f4's can be obtained so readily and cheap then!
> A 420 f5.6 really isn't bad at all, my combination is as sharp as 
> the same manufacturers 400 f5.6 prime.
> 
> > 3.    Teleconverters are really useful on "normal" lenses when you
> > want a proper perspective for portraits and are too cheap to buy
> > ~85mm and ~100mm lenses.
> 
> Useful for those starting out on a low budjet, they can upgrade later.
> 
> John Whittingham
> 
> Technician
> 
> ---------- Original Message -----------
> From: "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 10:40:28 -0700
> Subject: Re: Teleconverter Crap
> 
> > Bob's laws of teleconverter use:
> >
> > 1.    Using a teleconverter with a wide angle lens is nutsoid. (imagine
> > putting a 2X on a 24 or 28mm f/2.8 to obtain a really slow normal
> > lens.)
> > 2.    Teleconverters are really only useful on fast lenses. You can
> > put a 2X converter on a 300 f/4, but then you get a 600 f/8. Trying
> > to get a sharp focus at f/8 sucks, at least for my old eyes.
> > 3.    Teleconverters are really useful on "normal" lenses when you
> > want a proper perspective for portraits and are too cheap to buy
> > ~85mm and ~100mm lenses.
> > 4.    In order to get the DOF control, you will eventually sell your
> > youngest child to buy both an ~85mm & ~100mm lenses thus relegating the
> > teleconverters to very rare use.
> >
> > 5.    Eventually, you will put the (now little used) teleconverters
> > on ebay to get the cash to help redeem your youngest child.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bob...
> > ----------------------
> > "They called my parent's generation 'The Greatest Generation' for a
> reason.
> > We have become a nation of narcissistic whiners and wienies who have
> > no sense of history and no vision of the future. We are without
> > resolve, and having forgotten first principles, we are easily swayed
> > to embrace lies expressed to us in trite slogans. We think life is
> > about us, forgetting that it is the generations to come that we
> > should live for." - Blakely
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