Perhaps, Colin, if Christians weren't trying to impose their standards on others, or "seeking to persuade", often by very crude methods (Christianity is advertised like soap powder in America), people would be less likely to "make light" of some of their more bizarre hang-ups.

And as for not demeaning people like Moslems, a few months ago you posted a signature which was so pregnant with zenophobia that it took my breath away. And that of many others.

You reap what you sow.

John

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:36:25 -0400, Collin Brendemuehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

For the most part discussion has been good. Most of the dissenting and various opinions have been civil and that is good. I also consider this to be "on topic" because we're discussing what we do with our cameras and why, what defines "art" and its appropriateness in various situations, and what is suitable and civil on PDML.

The issue of offense and motivation was an important. A couple of individuals seemd to think it humorous to offend with intent and with an antogistic tone. But most were more civil, voicing a variety of divergent opinions, and without hostility.

Art, as can words, be used to discuss issues. That discussion can be used to communicate history with a point, as one would see in the drawings from the Spanish Revolution. Sometimes its philosophical, with the supreme expressions of humanity from the religious humanists (the statue "David") or secular humanists (Rodan's "The Thinker"). The work of Maplethorpe is fascinating. He goes from some of the most beautiful stills I've ever seen to some very homoerotic material that isn't suitable for public display, well-suited to the term "obscene".

In the theological circles where I "hang out", it's a standard teaching and practice that when reaching out to other world views that one should not demean the contrary views. We're free to debate and discuss and seek to persuade but the principle is in place that we are never to deman by belittling or humiliating people or the position being held. We never make light of another person's sincerely-held beliefs.

When using art to communicate a thought, hardly anyone here would accept as suitable a photograph (in the same manner as we would assess word) composed in such a manner as to deman or ridicule blacks, homosexuals, moslems, jews, or anyone else for that matter. Nor would we accept as suitable any material which would do so less directly by making light of cultural or faith characteristics of any group.

Unless it's Christianity.




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