JCO, I think it is you who is wrong. Perspective or AOV changes with the
lens you use, everyone knows that. If you think you can just use a different
focal lenght lens and just stand in a different postion and get exactly the
same image then you are clearly delusional.

Antonio. 

On 6/8/04 11:51 pm, "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Antonio, You wrote: "Long lenses flatten perspective, wide lenses open
> it up."
> CLASSIC MYTH, BUT DEAD WRONG!
> 
> Rectilinear (non-fisheye) Lenses have ZERO effect on perspective, camera
> position controls that.
> The point I was and am making regarding portrait lenses (it applies to
> everything
> actually) is that once you get the proper distance from the subject for
> the best perspective,
> you then can use a 85mm for a upperbody/head and shouders shot OR a
> 135mm for
> a very tight head shot. The selection of the lens is only for framing,
> not
> perspective. There is no "perfect" portrait lens focal length it is a
> range
> of lenses from roughly 75mm to 150mm with 105mm being a good "general
> purpose"
> portrait lens but by no means the "right" one for every shot.
> JCO
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Antonio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 5:34 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: 85 or 135 for portraits?
> 
> 
> What about AOV? The main reason I love my 85mm for portaits is the AOV
> it provides. Shure I could stand a bit further back with a 135mm, and
> even get the same DOF by using a slightly larger f stop, but the AOV
> would still be different. If lens choice were merely a matter of where
> to you want to stand relative to your subject then we could all save a
> lot of money on lenses. Long lenses flatten perspective, wide lenses
> open it up.
> 
> Antonio
> 
> 
> On 6/8/04 11:11 pm, "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> My point is that a natural perspective is achieved by being the right
>> DISTANCE from the subject of the portrait, the right framing is
>> achieved via the lens selection. I do not see where the cropping
>> comments are coming from. I was not talking about or implying the use
>> of any cropping.
>> 
>> Yes, there will be less DOF with a 135mm vs a 85mm from the same
>> distance to subject and using same aperture due to higher
>> magnification but that can be matched via stopping down the 135mm or
>> opening up 85mm to match if it is critical....
> 

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