Gracious? You cant be serious! They take away full support from your high performance expensive perfectly good K/M lenses for no reason and you call that gracious? Absurd.
Think about it, When pentax designed the A series and F series lenses and bodies, they did not abandon K/M in any way. They offered new features and fully supported old ones. This *istD and a few very cheap older Pentax models, don't offer anything NEW in terms of the lens functions, YET they offer LESS with the K/M lenses. that is the exact opposite of what they did before. This is retrograde. I am in favor of abanding old lens mounts/functions if what you get in return is more valuable than what you give up , but with the istD lens functions, NOTHING was gained. ONLY LOSS. The age of the older lenses has ZERO to do with it. There isnt anything there instead of the aperture sensing cam. If there was then that would be another story. If a K/M lens can fit, then it can be supported. Proof was all the A series and F series bodies that supporte A, F and K/M simultaneously. JCO -----Original Message----- From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera! You don't know that nothing was gained by abandoning the mechanical linkage. It may well have interfered with other necessary functions of the camera. On the other hand I cant fault Pentax for wanting to encourage the use of more contemporary lenses. Yet they were gracious enough to at least accommodate the older lenses. No other camera manufacturer has done that. Paul On Sep 15, 2004, at 6:59 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: > NO, YOU DON'T GET IT. I never said pentax changed > their lens mounts, they changed their new camera > to ignore the K/M aperture cam and have LESS features then the lenses > can do. Big difference. If something was gained for abandoning > these features it would be one thing but nothing was > gained, it's ALL LOSS. Pentax wants you to replace > perfectly good and capable lenses. That is called > PLANNED obsolescence, which is a very unethical business > practice. > JCO > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 6:41 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera! > > > You still don't get it. Pentax didn't change their lens mount. K and M > lenses work just fine with the *istD. Nearly everyone on the list who > owns an *istD uses them on a regular basis. I think you should try it > before you form an opinion. The mechanical linkage is an unnecessary > addition that might well interfere with some other operation. Paul On > Sep 15, 2004, at 6:29 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: > >> The other mfgrs CHANGED THEIR LENS MOUNTS for technical improvements. >> Pentax did not, they just abandoned the K mount support WITHOUT any >> technical reason for doing so. Big difference. JCO >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Steve Pearson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 4:24 PM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera! >> >> >> Dude, >> >> Not to vent, but what other camera manufacturer allows >> you to use 30+ year old lenses? That is the beauty of >> the Pentax system. If you want full compatibility, >> then buy new lenses, just like you would have to do >> with Nikon, Canon, etc. >> >> For me, I'm as happy as can be with the istD. You >> can't beat the market prices and picture quality of >> Pentax M&K lenses! >> >> >> --- "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> that is not a continous on the fly AE, that is more >>> like one shot AE with exposure lock only. >>> Not as good or as fast as a fully supported K >>> lens which can do on the fly metered manual and AE >>> both open aperture for approximately the last 30 >>> years. You say you want to move forward with digital >>> but this major operational feature removal is >>> acceptable? >>> >>> JCO >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:31 PM >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera! >>> >>> >>> It does what amounts to aperture priority with a >>> simple push of the >>> green button. It will set the shutter speed >>> automatically, so you really >>> have only one motion to complete, pushing the >>> button. I don't understand >>> why some feel this is difficult. I do it in >>> situations with constantly >>> changing exposure and have never experienced a >>> problem or felt >>> inconvenienced. >>> >>> >>>> Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera! >>>> >>>> >>>> It now does open aperture metered manual and >>> Aperure Priority AE, -ON >>>> THE FLY- like every Pentax film camera always did? >>> JCO >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:59 PM >>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera! >>>> >>>> >>>> I didn't know you were using an *istD, JCO. Mine >>> works fine with K and >>> >>>> M lenses. I use them nearly every day. >>>> >>>> >>>>> "as Good" ?? It sucks now, I don't see how it >>> could get any worse. >>>>> It should get better, not worse. Not fully >>> supporting the "K" mount >>>>> is a crock of shit IMHO. There are many fine K >>> and M lenses that are >>> >>>>> being crippled by pentax *istD for zero >>> technical reasons. But this >>>>> is old argument.... JCO >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Shel Belinkoff >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:37 PM >>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> While I understand that it's too early to make >>> final judgments, is >>>>> there anything to suggest that the support won't >>> be as good? >>>>> >>>>> Shel >>>>> >>>>>> From: Peter J. Alling >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> >>>>>> Only if the K/M support is at least as good as >>> the *ist-D has now. >>>>> >>>>>>> Hmmm .... just thinking out loud here ... >>> that M24~35 zoom in the >>>>> equipment >>>>>>> drawer should make a pretty nice "normal" >>> lens for the istDS. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? 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