Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V04 #45

Paul Stenquist Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:01:09 -0700

I'm more than happy with PhotoShop CS. Yes, you have to treat each photo in detail, but that's the purpose of shooting RAW. If you prefer fast and easy, shoot jpeg and just do some minor tweaks in PS CS. Paul On Sep 21, 2004, at 6:56 PM, Sheldon Gottlieb wrote:

What is the best program for processing RAW images from the *ist? I have the Pentax RAW plug in for Photoshop CS, but this is a very cumbersome way to process the images. The Pentax RAW browser is also not very useful. Any suggestions?

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pentax-discuss-d Digest                         Volume 04 : Issue 45
Today's Topics: Re: istDs - what a great camera! [ Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Re: Firmware reverse compile [ Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Re: 28-70 F4 SMC FA AL [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: mechanical shutters and digital [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] RE: Hyperthetical question regarding [ "John Whittingham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: Good use of Camera Raw... [ Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Re: istDs - what a great camera! [ Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] RE: Hyperthetical question regarding [ "Malcolm Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: Hyperthetical question regarding [ mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: 28-70 F4 SMC FA AL [ Keith Whaley <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] The "Infamous Green Button" Good or [ "Don Sanderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: {Spam?} Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP? [ "Nick Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: mechanical shutters and digital [ "Nick Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: Eddie Adams has died [ frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] The "Infamous Green Button" Good or [ "Don Sanderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: The "Infamous Green Button" Good [ frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: Hyperthetical question regarding [ Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] FA 20-35 versus M 24-35 [ Andre Langevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: The "Infamous Green Button" Good [ Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] PAW: Out to Pasture [ frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: PESO: Fast Lane [ frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: Firmware reverse compile [ "Peter Loveday" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: PAW and request for honest contr [ frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: PAW - "Come on in, the water's w [ frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: PAW - Birthday in a Cheap Motel [ frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: PAW: Ivy on the Wall [ frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:12:42 -0500
From: Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Unfortunately its locked to the EV setting at the time you pressed the
button.  I don't know why they didn't go one step further and allowed a
more versatile Av mode while they were mucking with the firmware.  I am
sorely tempted to see if I might be able to do it myself.  Someone
posted the uP type used in the camera and I downloaded the instruction
set and OS layout.  I might try it even if I have to hand assemble it.
I've done it before and its not that bad once you get into it.
J. C. O'Connell wrote:
That's sounds correct. Does the *istD readjust
shutter speed if the subject brightness changes or is it locked
to whatever speed the reading was when the green button
was released?
jco
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J. C. O'Connell wrote:
With the ist D mode you need to re-meter every time you change the
aperure setting not only to shoot but to even see what the shutter
speed is going to be. NOT AS GOOD as if they had K/M sensing.
I think it is possible. For a particular scene if you have an EV reading X1 at an unknown aperture when pressing the green button, and an

EV reading X2 wide open, then if you change scenes, you can estimate the

new speed needed to properly expose the pic by taking the new wide open reading of X3 and assuming that the same relationship holds between X1-X2 as it does between X3-X4, where X4 would be the EV at the same aperture you had before. While you dont know the actual aperture, you at least know it relative to the wide open aperture. They could do this

in the firmware and have a true AE (Av) mode if they wanted to with K/M lenses. The only time you would have to press the green button again is
if you manually changed the aperture again.
rg
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:46:16 +0100
From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On 21/9/04, Gonz, discombobulated, unleashed:
Actually, they do allow you to do just about anything that can be put into the R/W memory. The ROM is off limits for obvious reasons. But there is enough functionality in the R/W to replace much of the ROM if you really want. PDA's are another area where you can pretty much convert it to another completely different appliance if you want, and people have. You can even turn your PDA into a pretty sophisticated TV remote control if youre so inclined.
Hey, that's how I hacked my DVD player! We have a region 2 DVD player hooked up to the telly and the bugger wouldn't play American DVDs (region 1) so I found a website that told me how to hack it with numbers but the handset wouldn't cut it. Blow me but there it said I could use a PDA with infrared - and what do I have in my pocket? A Palm 515. Downloaded some software, pointed the Palm at the telly and the penguin on top exploded. No, I mean the thing turned into a region-free DVD player!
Cooooool.
Cheers,
  Cotty
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:47:17 CDT
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Subject: Re: 28-70 F4 SMC FA AL
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Nenand posted:
ERN wrote:
It's so interesting how people's tastes vary. I hadn't used my 28-70/4 for
quite a while as I'd been using mostly 50mm fixed-
focal-length lenses on my film bodies. But now that I have an *istD, the
28-70 is back out of near retirement. I find it VERY
useful for the *istD.
and Paul added:
I use the FA 28-105/3.2-4.5 on my *istD. It's probably my most used lens
for general
snapshooting and walkarounds. The DA 16-45/4 is rapidly becoming a heavy
user as well.
The two make a good compact kit for everyday use.
Yes, I wonder if I wasn't a bit hasty selling the 28-70 but at the time I had bought the DA16-45. I reasoned that if I needed a longer lens than the 16-45 I would use either my F80-200 f4.7-5.6 or my A70-210 f4 or my Tamron 90mm. I have since been considering getting a FA 28-105/3.2-4.5 as I agree with Paul that it would make a good companion for the DA16-45.

OTOH, I haven't bought any new lenses for the *ist D. IF I happened upon an autofocus 28mm (faster than f/4, obviously) while also being in possession of enough funds, I'd probably get it. Fortunately I never was one for wide-angle.
ERN
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:49:01 CDT
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Nenand posted:
I think this has been asked before but I don't recall any concensus or
convincing explanations:
Why do DSLRs need mechanical shutters when video cameras and "point and shoot" digitals don't (or do they? - my Optio 43WR specs say the shutter goes from 4sec to 1/2000sec).
I remember seeing the question before also -- have you checked the archives for the answers offered at the time?
ERN
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:40:51 +0100
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All relevant points! Has anyone had a lens sent away for repair in respect of fungal removal, and if so, was it successful? I am certainly not keen on infecting other equipment and would isolate such a lens.
Had a 85mm f2 'M' with light fungus, looked like spiders web. Cleaned by camerarepairer (eBay ID) for �25, excellent service never had any problems since, he also did an excellent job on a Refconverter A that was badly infected. I'm looking at sending a 75mm 2.8 645 lens to him that I picked up very reasonably priced, again light frungus.
Apparently it depends on the amount and type of fungi!
john
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mike wilson wrote:
For me, there would be a number of factors:
1. How rare is it?
2. How bad is the fungus?
3. How much does it cost?
4. How much will the repair cost?
5. Will the repair be successful?
6. How badly do I want it?
With fungus, given its penchant for cross fertilisation, so
to speak, the lens would have to be exceptionally cheap.  You
would, with very few exceptions, have to virtually give it to me.
All relevant points! Has anyone had a lens sent away for repair in respect of fungal removal, and if so, was it successful? I am certainly not keen on infecting other equipment and would isolate such a lens.
Thanks for all the input on this question folks.
Malcolm
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:52:04 +0100
From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On 21/9/04, Albano Garcia, discombobulated, unleashed:
Hi gang,
I know I dissapeared from here, but the truth is I'm
very busy now, and don't have too much time for the
list.
I bought my first digital camera, and it's able to
shoot Raw. I wanted to know if you know good material
online on how to use the Camera Raw PS CS plugin
efficiently.
All suggestions welcome.
Hi Albano,
great to see you're doing okay mate.
HTH:
<http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/workflow1.shtml>
<http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/rw-cr.shtml>
I'm sure others will fill in the big gap with more specific info....
Best,
Cheers,
  Cotty
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:54:42 +0100
From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On 21/9/04, John Forbes, discombobulated, unleashed:
I was afraid you'd start apologising too!
Sorry about not being sorry and then being sorry for not paying attention.
Hey I can apologise with the best of 'em!
Cheers,
  Cotty
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:00:28 +0100
From: "Malcolm Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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John Whittingham wrote:
Had a 85mm f2 'M' with light fungus, looked like spiders web.
Cleaned by camerarepairer (eBay ID) for �25, excellent
service never had any problems since, he also did an
excellent job on a Refconverter A that was badly infected.
I'm looking at sending a 75mm 2.8 645 lens to him that I
picked up very reasonably priced, again light frungus.
Apparently it depends on the amount and type of fungi!
Indeed it does! Noted that not in every cases does it mean 'time for the bin'.
Malcolm
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:13:08 +0100
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Hi,
Bob W wrote:
Yes. I had a Leica lens with fungus which I sent away for inspection by some Geordie lab technician - Mike Wilson, I think his name is <g>. He shook his head, tut-tutted a little, and said something beginning "I'm afraid it's bad news, Sir...".

I dropped the lens in the bin and let the garbologists take it away. I didn't want it in the house with thousands of �s worth of other lenses.

Someone had spent quite some time cleaning it previously to me looking at it but the fungus had damaged the coatings on some elements. It was still repairable but only if it had sentimental value. The cost would have been considerably more than its monetary value. It might even have been a "compilation" lens.
m
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:23:51 -0700
From: Keith Whaley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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keith posted:
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Nenad Djurdjevic posted, among other things:
I had the 28-70f4 and I thought it was a great lens. I would still have it if its focal length was useful on the *istD. ....
It's so interesting how people's tastes vary. I hadn't used my 28-70/4 for quite a while as I'd been using mostly 50mm fixed-focal-length lenses on my film bodies. But now that I have an *istD, the 28-70 is back out of near retirement. I find it VERY useful for the *istD.

And what equivalent range on the *istD does that give you?
Normal to short tele.
ERN
Actually, I had in mind was, what equivalent focal lengths is that, compared to 35mm format? Something like 40mm - 105mm, or close?
keith
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:35:15 -0500
From: "Don Sanderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I've stayed out of this one so far but, .......................
Since I may be in a position to purchase a *ist D in the next week or so (home re-finance), I have a few questions about the "Green Button" method for "Pre-A" lenses.

1.) How much time is actually wasted having to "pre-meter" with K/M lenses, 1/2 second? 2 seconds? More? Less? 2.) Have any of you actually missed an important shot waiting for, or forgetting, the pre-meter step? 3.) Can this method be used in conjunction with "Spot" metering?

Since I have little problem using Spotties, Ks and the MX it doesn't sound like any big deal. Agree or dis-agree?

Don (Was going to wait but didn't expect the money to sorta fall in my lap)
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:44:45 +0100
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And the *istD!
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All very nice, but can it save a pic directly to a computer?
Kind regards
Kevin
    You can with the D2h.:-)
    Dave
                                
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:44:44 +0100
From: "Nick Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I would guess that the APS sized sensor would drain the battery very quickly, not to mention overheat, if left on continuously. The sensors in P&S cameras are much smaller.
Nick
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Concensus? Convincing explanations? Kind of a touchy feely type aren't you? It is not a matter of how you feel about it. It is hardware. Go read the design specs.
    --
    Nenad Djurdjevic wrote:
I think this has been asked before but I don't recall any concensus or
convincing explanations:
Why do DSLRs need mechanical shutters when video cameras and "point and shoot" digitals don't (or do they? - my Optio 43WR specs say the shutter goes from 4sec to 1/2000sec).
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:53:20 -0400
From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Eddie Adams has died
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:47:57 +0100, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,
  Story here:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3672060.stm
--
Cheers,
 Bob
Not many people can say that a photograph they took may have changed
the world we live in.  Many images of the Vietnam War disgusted people
around the world, and were at least in part responsible for lack of
support of that War in the US.  Adams' photo was certainly near the
top of the list (I think Ut's photo of Kim Phuc has to top the list,
but that's just me).
Ironic to now read that Adams thought that the Loan (the shooter) was
a hero, and that the photo was misinterpreted.
cheers,
frank
-- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:03:52 -0500
From: "Don Sanderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I've stayed out of this one so far but, .......................
Since I may be in a position to purchase a *ist D in the next week or so (home re-finance), I have a few questions about the "Green Button" method for "Pre-A" lenses.

1.) How much time is actually wasted having to "pre-meter" with K/M lenses, 1/2 second? 2 seconds? More? Less? 2.) Have any of you actually missed an important shot waiting for, or forgetting, the pre-meter step? 3.) Can this method be used in conjunction with "Spot" metering?

Since I have little problem using Spotties, Ks and the MX it doesn't sound like any big deal. Agree or dis-agree?

Don (Was going to wait but didn't expect the money to sorta fall in my lap)
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:03:49 -0400
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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:35:15 -0500, Don Sanderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

<snip> (Was going to wait but didn't expect the money to sorta fall in my lap)
Don,
I, too, would like to purchase a *istD.  For me to accomplish this, I
think I'd need to acquire funds in a manner similar to yours (ie:
money falling into my lap).  How did you realize this little feat?
Maybe I could try it, with similar results!  <vbg>
cheers,
frank
PS:  I can't help with your specific query.  Sorry.
-- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:07:16 +0100
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Hi,
Yes. I had a Leica lens with fungus which I sent away for inspection by some Geordie lab technician - Mike Wilson, I think his name is <g>. He shook his head, tut-tutted a little, and said something beginning "I'm afraid it's bad news, Sir...".

I dropped the lens in the bin and let the garbologists take it away. I didn't want it in the house with thousands of �s worth of other lenses.

Someone had spent quite some time cleaning it previously to me looking at it but the fungus had damaged the coatings on some elements. It was still repairable but only if it had sentimental value. The cost would have been considerably more than its monetary value. It might even have been a "compilation" lens.
yes, that's right - I'd forgotten about that. Like doing a cut & paste
job on 2 crashed cars. It had lost the ability to focus and was pretty
well knackered in several ways.
-- Cheers, Bob
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:25:02 -0400
From: Andre Langevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: FA 20-35 versus M 24-35
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My M 24-35mm has yielded very nice results over the years. I may want to upgrade as I often find myself limited at the wide side. How odin better is the the 20-35 and where is it better?
Andre
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:24:53 -0700
From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hello Don,
From my perspective, it is much like shooting hypermanual on a Z-1p.
If you are shooting in manual mode, then it is faster to me than an
MX.  The reason is that it is faster to push the green button than to
turn the shutter dial.  The time it takes is close to instantaneous.
If you are used to shooting in Aperture priority, then it is slower,
because you would have to press the green button before pressing the
shutter release.  However, one has to be a bit cautious with aperture
priority because the metering could be off - exposure lock may be
needed or some such.  At that point, then the green button is just as
good as AE with exposure lock usage.
In summary, you end up with a very usable manual mode for those
lenses.
-- Best regards, Bruce
Tuesday, September 21, 2004, 3:03:52 PM, you wrote:
DS> I've stayed out of this one so far but, .......................
DS> Since I may be in a position to purchase a *ist D in the next week or so DS> (home re-finance), DS> I have a few questions about the "Green Button" method for "Pre-A" lenses.

DS> 1.) How much time is actually wasted having to "pre-meter" with K/M lenses, DS> 1/2 second? 2 seconds? More? Less? DS> 2.) Have any of you actually missed an important shot waiting for, or DS> forgetting, the pre-meter step? DS> 3.) Can this method be used in conjunction with "Spot" metering?

DS> Since I have little problem using Spotties, Ks and the MX it doesn't sound DS> like any big deal. DS> Agree or dis-agree?

DS> Don (Was going to wait but didn't expect the money to sorta fall in my lap)
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:25:15 -0400
From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: PAW: Out to Pasture
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I think I've shown other photos of this poor old thing - it was a bit
of a "project" of mine over a couple of years.  Maybe a couple of
dozen shots, different seasons, lighting, etc.  Then, about 2 years
ago, it was gone.  I guess (hope) someone bought it to restore to its
past glory.
Sadly, I never did get a shot that I was completely satisfied with,
but this is one that I don't hate too much <g>.
Sort of a counterpoint to all of Paul's beautiful car shots:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2717499&size=lg
Comments always welcome.
cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:28:25 -0400
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 12:29:48 -0400, Caveman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Err... :
http://www3.sympatico.ca/vdonisa/FastLane.html
Comments welcome !
Love the tilt!!  Adds to the dynamism of the photo.  Nice colours, too.
cheers,
frank
-- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:52:38 +0930
From: "Peter Loveday" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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http://www.fujitsu.com/services/microelectronics/product/micom/fr/ webpage_product-micom-fr.html

Thanks, I had not seen that one yet.
Hmm indeed. v. interesting.  I had a look through it a while back, and
didn't notice that either (I'll have to go back and have another look)
Its worth noting that as far as I could see, there are two processors
involved (I think)... one for general control, and a DSP for image
processing no doubt.  Of course, I could be wrong.
Love, Light and Peace,
- Peter Loveday
Director of Development, eyeon Software
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:33:32 -0400
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 19:46:16 +0200, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi!
Among other things I've spent some time in Oslo just walking around
and trying to catch the moment. Here is one attempt:
http://www.webaperture.com/gallery/photos/48074
Any and all comments from those who are more experienced in this that
I am are most welcome.
There are lots of things I like about this one.
As Tom said, you caught a moment there.  Geez, the photographer seems
to intense and "into" what he's doing!  Actually, I think it's a bit
funny (I don't know why, but it is...).
I like the composition - the background, the pattern of the crowds,
the fact that a few passersby are looking at the photographer/subject.
 I really like that thick white line separating the two!  Great
detail.
Good stuff, Boris.
cheers,
frank
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"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:35:43 -0400
From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: PAW - "Come on in, the water's warm!"
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On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 22:35:39 +1200, David Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/cgi-bin/paw.cgi?date=18-Sep-2004
- Dave
http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Nothing much to add to the accolades so far, except:
"Oooooooooo"
"Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh"
Lovely shot, Dave.
thanks,
frank
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"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:39:13 -0400
From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: PAW - Birthday in a Cheap Motel
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On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 08:33:05 -0700, Shel Belinkoff
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Not sure if I posted this one before. Made with a (Pentax) P&S camera in keeping with the situation <LOL>
http://home.earthlink.net/~sbelinkoff/bday-08bw.html
Kind of surreal, actually.  What makes the photo, for me, is the TV.
That is ~such~ a cheap motel television!  <vbg>
Very cool shot, Shel.
cheers,
frank
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"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:43:54 -0400
From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: PAW: Ivy on the Wall
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On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 23:48:27 -0400, Paul Stenquist
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I walk by this several times a week. Today, I saw it for the first
time. I was looking for architectural images. I find this pleasing. I
wonder if others do as well. It's here:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2709921
Pleasing.
Yeah, I think pleasing is about right.
It doesn't really "grab" me, but I don't think it's a shot that one
would expect to be grabbed by.
If I have a criticism, it's that the big bright green tree kind of
overwhelms the subtlety of the ivy and the lovely, austere
architecture of the building.
cheers,
frank
--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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