From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 3:38 AM
Subject: Re: Toss another martyr on the fire


> You apparently aren't very well versed on the significance of 
> Remembrance Day.

If you talk about the Remembrance Day in memory of the armistice in 1918 and in 
memory of those who died in that and subsequent wars, I know a fair bit about 
it.
However, you now bringing in Remembrance Day into the equation makes just as 
little sense as previously mentioned facts, why I will have to admit that I 
apparently am not very well versed in the type of significance you attach to it 
and what it has to do with the British celebration of Guy Fawkes Day.

> Frequently, popes are burned in effigy, and the mood 
> is very obviously anti-Catholic. In addition to Guy Fawkes, numerous 
> other Catholics were tortured and burned at the stake, the majority of 
> them innocent victims. The fact that the Brits insist on commemorating 
> this black day is barbaric.

I see. You regard the Guy Fawkes bonfires as an attack on the Catholics?
Are you saying that those engaging in the celebrations are symbolically burning 
Catholics, and that this is the true and only meaning of them?

>Sorry, but that's the truth.

If you say so.

> Read some 
> history.

Thanks, I often do. Presently engaged in doing some research directly related 
to events which led to what was to become the origin of Remembrance Day.
May I extend the same advice - to read some history - to you?

In a following message you write:
"It's a barbaric custom, and it pisses me 
off. It has no place here or anywhere else that civilized people 
congregate."

On this I will have to disagree though, despite what you have been saying.
I think that posting pictures of celebrating Guy Fawkes Day to the list is just 
as appropriate as posting pictures of most other traditional celebrations.
(As for what Bob may have had in mind in posting them, I however do not know.)

Lasse

> On Nov 6, 2004, at 8:22 PM, Lasse Karlsson wrote:
> 
> > Paul,
> >
> > What you're saying in this and previous messages in the same thread 
> > makes absolutely no sense to me.
> >
> > How in the world does "sickness of the United Kingdom", "intense 
> > hatred of religion", American warfare, German gas chambers and "scum" 
> > come in to Bob's posting pictures of traditional bonfires, originally 
> > stemming from Guy Fawkes' et alumnis' failed attempt to blow up the 
> > British Parliament in 1605?
> >
> > In what way do "the Brits celebrate atrocities of their own"? (What 
> > atrocities are you referring to?)
> >
> > Lasse
> >
> > From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 2:59 AM
> > Subject: Re: Toss another martyr on the fire
> >
> >
> >> Hey, here's an idea. Perhaps the Germans could erect mock gas chambers
> >> and celebrate their attempt to exterminate the Jews. What do you think
> >> of that, Bob?
> >> On Nov 6, 2004, at 6:36 PM, Bob W wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> The grisly death of Guido Fawkes:
> >>> http://www.web-options.com/Bonfire/GF003.jpg
> >>> http://www.web-options.com/Bonfire/GF004.jpg
> >>> http://www.web-options.com/Bonfire/GF005.jpg
> >>> http://www.web-options.com/Bonfire/GF010.jpg
> >>> http://www.web-options.com/Bonfire/GF016.jpg
> >>> http://www.web-options.com/Bonfire/GF033.jpg
> >>>
> >>> The story, in brief:
> >>> http://www.infoplease.com/spot/guyfawkes.html
> >>>
> >>> -- 
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>  Bob


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