High ambient temperature is the killer here. It's never below 30c. Ever...

As for cooling, I keep the covers off so that the air-conditioned ambient air 
can easily circulate. Whilst airflow etc is important,
if the air around the box is cooler than the air in the box, then let the air 
outside get inside. Over clocked systems are difficult
to keep cool and stable, and this one has been stable for 3 years (over clocked 
by about 15%)

I use the best quality 80mm ball-bearing fans throughout the box. I also have 
an expensive aftermarket CPU fan which runs at insane
RPM. All up, for the type of work I mainly do (GIS), the system runs much 
better than many other more expensive and supposedly
better machines. 

I agree with your sentiments about the ridiculous premium we have to pay for 
dual-CPU MB. However, there is a glimmer of hope on the
horizon (other than 64-bit). Dual-core CPU's (which are essentially a dual CPU 
single CPU - make sense out of that!) are not that
far away. And apparently, they will not require a proprietary MB, and will fit 
whatever PIP design that is current at the time...

Cheer

Shaun


Dr. Shaun Canning
Cultural Heritage Services
11 Lawrence Way
Karratha, Western Australia, 
6714

0414-967644
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-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, 21 November 2004 10:49 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Very OT: Upgrading computer for digital

On 21 Nov 2004 at 9:22, Shaun Canning wrote:

> Yeah, that'd fly. The biggest problem I have up here in the north-west 
> is keeping the damn things cool. Mine runs at 50c with no case covers 
> and 5 fans in an air-conditioned room. Doesn't get all that much 
> hotter than that though because of all the fans and good ventilation. 
> I have thought about water-cooling, but this seems like more trouble 
> than it's worth, with the added risk of a leak!

Hmm, case covers and air flow are the key to good cooling, apart from causing 
an RF storm the cooling should be far worse with the
lids off on a well designed system. Sounds like you need a decent tower with 
front and rear fans. 
You might also consider some Zalman ZM-2HC2 Heatpipe HDD Coolers, I use these 
on my W/S drives, they reduce the noise transmitted to
the system chassis and promote better cooling (assuming good airflow along the 
drives).

http://www.zalmanusa.com/usa/product/view.asp?idx=74&code=019

> Although, I would like a dual processor system one of these days...

There is a heck of a premium to be paid for a good M/B, I'm not sure it's worth 
the bother any more. My server is still dual CPU but
my W/S no longer is, it just wasn't cost effective.

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
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