Alan Chan
http://www.pbase.com/wlachan

>The retractable flash on my Zx-5n seems to have lost it's spring. It pops 
>up,
>but no longer locks in the "up" configuration - a not unheard of problem. 
>For
>the folks who have experienced this before, what did you do to fix this 
>problem



They have a pill for this.

Bill Lawlor


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> pentax-discuss-d Digest                               Volume 04 : Issue 284
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> Today's Topics:
>   Re: YA New User                       [ "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: Tripping up north soon.           [ Lon Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>   RE: Pentax-A 4/24-50mm vs. Pentax-F   [ "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: Red Ink over digital              [ Steve Jolly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>   Re: eBay-strategies                   [ Illinois Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: Pentax-A 4/24-50mm vs. Pentax-F   [ Joe Wilensky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>   Re: Identical optical formula - inde  [ Lon Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>   cleaning focusing screen / pentapris  [ Hugo Kok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>   Re: Camera performance, formerly RE:  [ Lon Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>   Re: Pentax KA lenses: what's good an  [ Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>   Re: 500/4.5 for 6x7                   [ Andre Langevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: Pentax KA lenses: what's good an  [ Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>   Re: PSLR - more fireworks             [ Lon Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>   Re: Paw Out of service                [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: Pentax KA lenses: what's good an  [ Andre Langevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: cleaning focusing screen / penta  [ "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   PAW: Reflections of Fall              [ "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> ]
>   RE: Pentax-A 4/24-50mm vs. Pentax-F   [ "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> ]
>   Re: PAW: Reflections of Fall          [ Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   RE: Broken pop-up flash               [ "Alan Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
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> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:33:13 -0600
> From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lon Williamson"
> Subject: Re: YA New User
> 
> 
> > People don't trust themselves to do it.
> > I spent a lot of time checking my focus on "ground glass" vs
> > microprism and rangefinder type thingies in the viewfinder.
> > Eventually, I could pretty much agree, and sometimes disagree.
> > Disagreements are usually in my favor.  I now abhor any focusing
> > aid that takes up a lot of space.  Suckers blank out in dim light.
> > I'm glad I did my experimenting, but I did not trust myself at 
> > first.
> > I'll bet anyone with a long memory didn't, either, if they can 
> > remember
> > that far back.
> 
> I remember my first zoom lens, a Tamron 80-300mm f/3.8.
> The split image in my Nikon FM blacked out with it, so I went to a 
> microprism screen.
> No improvement, really, the microprism was too dark to be useful.
> Unless they have gotten a lot better in the past while (very 
> possible), I don't really see much point in them if a person is using 
> a consumer speed zoom lens.
> 
> William Robb 
> 
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> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:13:57 -0500
> From: Lon Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Tripping up north soon.
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> Keep doing this, Cesar.  Next time you're in the unwashed
> MidWest (Ohio), I'd love to meet ya.  Snake skin and all.
> 
> C�sar wrote:
> 
> > Well, I am finally getting my trip north.  The funny thing is that I 
> > will probably be making the trip again in January.  When it rains it 
> > pours...
> > 
> > I will be flying to NYC on 30 November. I will be in Baltimore and its 
> > environs on the 1st and 2nd of December.
> > I will drive back to NYC on the 3rd for the weekend.
> > I will be back in Baltimore on the 6th and 7th.  Probably driving back 
> > to NYC on the 7th.
> > I will then actually be taking some vacation time in NYC - woohoo!
> > I should be in NYC from the 8th until I fly back down here on the 13th.
> > Whew!
> > 
> > So, any takers on the PDML on getting together?
> > My time in the Mid-Atlantic area is somewhat limited, but I am always up 
> > for meeting up with people.
> > 
> > Wondering if I should look for 67 gear while up in NYC,
> > 
> > C�sar
> > Panama City, Florida
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> ------------------------------
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> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:31:14 +0100
> From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: Pentax-A 4/24-50mm vs. Pentax-F 4/24-50mm
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> It seems they are both rated 2.5 (F) and 2.7 (A) at Photodo.com
> Not very good. This is only a litle better than the Pentax SMC-FA
> 28-80/3,5-4,7, which I have owned. It was certainly not outstanding, but
> still quite usable. I don't know if MTF test can be trusted at all or even
> taken seriously :-).
> 
> Jens Bladt
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
> 
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sendt: 22. november 2004 20:04
> Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Emne: Re: Pentax-A 4/24-50mm vs. Pentax-F 4/24-50mm
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shel Belinkoff"
> Subject: RE: Pentax-A 4/24-50mm vs. Pentax-F 4/24-50mm
> 
> 
> > Hi Jens,
> >
> > it really stunk when the
> > sun was anywhere near the front of the lens.
> 
> Thats the smell of melting plastic.
> 
> William Robb
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:10:52 +0000
> From: Steve Jolly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Red Ink over digital
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> Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:
> > On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Steve Jolly wrote:
> > 
> > It works then?
> 
> Yep.  I didn't get the chance to examine prints or anything, but it 
> reduced the blur on photos taken at 70mm and 1/10s shutter speed to 
> negligible, as far as I could judge by zooming on the LCD.  The camera's 
> owner reckons it gives him an extra two stops when shooting hand-held.
> 
> Of course, it's only really useful if you regularly shoot hand-held in 
> insufficient light. :-)
> 
> S
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:20:59 -0600
> From: Illinois Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: eBay-strategies
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> My personal strategy is one that combines the first two:
> 
>     I decide how much I am willing to pay for an item, and put it on my 
> watched items list.  Then when it comes as close as I dare, I place my 
> maximum amount that I'm wiling to pay and let it go.
> 
> IL Bill
> 
> Note:  This method usually is 'successful' when I bid in the last 1 min 
> of bidding, in that I usually win.
> 
> Note2:  This method is always successful because I don't get caught up 
> in a 'bidding frenzy' and wind up paying more than I wanted to just 
> because "I can't let them have it".
> On Nov 22, 2004, at 11:18 AM, Peter Smekal wrote:
> 
> > Hi all, slightly OT maybe, but what do you think is a good 
> > eBay-strategy:
> > 1. Decide for a maximum bid, place it early, and then stay cool and 
> > just
> > wait and see if you win, or
> > 2. Observe the bidding "from outside", and get involved in bidding 
> > just at
> > the end, with the risk of getting infected by "bidding frenzy" (rising 
> > your
> > maximum bid several times, like the gambler who just wants to play 
> > just one
> > more time to hit the jackpot)?
> >
> > Peter, Sweden
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:18:27 -0500
> From: Joe Wilensky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Pentax-A 4/24-50mm vs. Pentax-F 4/24-50mm
> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> I've had both, and I liked both lenses. The F version is much better 
> suited to autofocus, since it has a pretty loose manual focus feel, 
> and it has that particular bulky yet durable feeling plastic feel 
> that some of the F zooms have. The A lens is the one I kept (and my 
> only zoom right now) -- it's very compact, has a very nice focus feel 
> for an A zoom, and more than acceptable results. It may be a bit more 
> prone to flare, especially at the wide end, than some other Pentax 
> zooms and primes, but it's very useable. I also had the M 24-35, 
> which is probably a better zoom and has a slightly nicer feel, but 
> the zoom range was too limited for me.
> 
> I also like the A zoom because to me, at least, it's about as large 
> as a lens can get without starting to feel too front-heavy on the 
> compact bodies without winders, like the Super Program.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >A question to the PDML knowledge base:
> >Any comments on these two lenses, please. Are they optically identical,
> >apart from the MF/AF issue? Any experience with either of these two Pentax
> >lenses?
> >Thanks
> >
> >Jens
> >
> >
> >Jens Bladt
> >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:50:52 -0500
> From: Lon Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Identical optical formula - indentical quality?
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> My impression of Pentax lenses is that, since the A (or mebbe the F)
> days, they've been dumbing down.  The glass just ain't what it used to
> be, apparently.  I've been happy with the older stuff, in general,
> though.
> 
> Joseph Tainter wrote:
> 
> > "Would you say that for instance the F 135/2.8 [IF] and the FA 135/2.8 
> > [IF] also have identical optical quality?"
> > 
> > According to Photodo, the F lenses often yield higher mtf values than 
> > the FA versions with the same optical formula. We do not know why this 
> > is. In a couple of instances the FA lens is apparently better.
> > 
> > I have considered the FA 135 f2.8. The F version, however, rates better 
> > on Photodo. Looking closely at the numbers, the main difference is that 
> > the F is sharper at f2.8. Why? Anyway, if I decide to get one, I will 
> > look for a used F 135.
> > 
> > Joe
> > 
> > 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:33:37 -0800 (PST)
> From: Hugo Kok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: cleaning focusing screen / pentaprism
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> Hello dear people,
> 
> I'm currently doing a long postponed job, namely exchanging focusing
> screens between two MX-es. Reasons for postponing are of course the
> trickiness of the procedure. I know of some of the dangers of touching
> the screens and such. With pentaprisms I have none experience
> whatsoever. I'm searching for people who have experience with this
> dirty job because I'm afraid I screwed things up.
> 
> What I did is this:
> Removed screen, parked it in the holder of the plastic screen box. Next
> I looked through the viewfinder to notice some dusty particles. I
> thought it to be a good idea to remove these too. So I gently moved a
> special micro-fibre lens cleaning cloth over the pentaprism. Looking
> through the viewfinder didn't make me happier, to say the least. I
> don't know how to describe what I saw; it resembled most a trail of
> very tiny oily drops. I wonder where these drops come from: the cloth
> or is was it already on pentaprism? Anyway, not being able to remove
> the phenomenon I proceeded to place the focusing screen from my other
> MX in this camera. Looking through the viewfinder made me sigh a little
> (of relief, that is) because there was no visible trace of the oily
> substance to be found back on the image in the viewfinder. But still,
> there were the dust particles. These are annoying and now I localized
> them to be on the focusing screen and not on the pentaprism. Rubbing
> with a lens brush did not help; it merely moved the dust from one place
> to the other.
> 
> This longwinding story comes to an end now, because I'm nearing my
> current state of misery; I finally tried to get rid of the dust by
> using the lens cloth. I gently moved up and down ONCE. And now I can
> see something that is best described as a trace of liquid. It's not
> dark but transparant.
> 
> My question: is there anybody who has done this job before who can
> provide for some suggestions regarding the whole procedure? Think it
> would be of help for anyone facing the same situation. One of my
> questions is for example: what the hell is going on with this special
> lens cloths? There was no mention of it containing any sort of stuff
> and I NEVER experienced someting like this (I use the cloth for a
> considerable time to clean my lenses (front and back).
> 
> Anyway, Hope you guys have some ideas.
> 
> BTW: the focusing screen in the above story is a wholly matted one with
> an extra fine matted centre circle - so no attached focusing aids on
> the screen..
> 
> Yours,
> Hugo 
> 
> 
> =====
> Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone 
> - 
> Joni Mitchell.
> 
> 
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:55:14 -0500
> From: Lon Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Camera performance, formerly RE: Pro cameras again.....SHEESH.
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> I do occasional "foul weather" photography with, usually, K-series
> bodies.  I put them under a bit of chamois.  Not the Photo Chamois,
> just an old, well washed, CAR chamois.  Better, AFAIK, than a towel
> or two.  Ain't had a problem yet, but I'm not a Pro.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, in part:
> 
> 
> > And then there was the comment about the PZ-1's lack of sealing. Someone's 
> > camera quit in a drizzle. I've had my PZ-1 since Christmas 1995 and used it 
> > professionally in various weather conditions and at least twice in 
> > situations 
> > near waterfalls where I had to wipe the spray off the front of the lens 
> > between shots (all shots). Rain. Freezing cold. Humid tropical beaches. 
> > Delivery room ... (OK, nothing there to bother the *camera*!) It's never 
> > quit 
> > or gone crazy. The only problem I've ever had with that camera was a little 
> > crack on the baseplate. The local dealer (there was one at the time) easily 
> > replaced the baseplate. It truly was news to me that it's not well sealed 
> > -- 
> > I've never noticed stuff getting in.
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:58:31 -0500
> From: Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Lon Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Pentax KA lenses:  what's good and what lasts?
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> > Let the experts Now Rage Forth
> 
> Well, I'm no expert, but I do have my "expert opinions" anyway...
> 
> > So, you A lovers, which ones are built to last and have good
> > optical quality?  Mind you, I'm an "M" fan despite them being
> > regarded, generally, as the worst optically.  Size, weight,
> > and build quality makes me hang on to M's.  My KA 50/1.7 might
> > be a good optic, but that there plastic aperature ring is NOTCHY,
> > and I tend to shoot in aperature priority or manual.  I ain't shot
> > Program or Shutter Priority in Lordy Nose How Long.
> 
> Many of the A lenses are ~nearly~ as well built as their M
> predecessors.  "Going the other direction", most of the A lenses
> seem better built than the "typical" F lens (although some of the F
> lenses are better built than others, of course).
> 
> The A 50/1.7 is a known "lemon" for its aperture ring, but not all
> of the A lenses have that problem at all (although, admittedly, not
> all of them ~feel~ quite as nice to use as their M counterparts). In
> fact, the A 50/1.7 may be the "low water mark" for "plastickyness"
> for A lens designs.  I'd say that all of the other A 50's (even
> including the "budget" A 50/2) are better built.  (This is all too
> bad, inasmuch as some Pentaxers - although I'm not one of 'em -
> dearly love the 50/1.7 design optically.)
> 
> > I've got the KA 35-70 F4.  Despite people disparaging it's build,
> > it seems sturdier to me than my KA 50/1.7, which has a _very_
> > dicey aperature ring.  I therefore just don't use it often.
> 
> The A 35-70/4 is probably my own "cheesiest" A lens for what its
> build quality feels like, but it does seem to be built solidly
> enough to be adequate in its construction (despite its "plasticky"
> feel).  In any event, its aperture ring does seem adequate (and not
> overly "notchy" feeling - <g>).
> 
> > Another question:  is the KA 35-105/3.5 either a) as good as,
> > b) about the same, or c) not quite as good as -- the KA 35-70/f4?
> 
> The build quality of the A 35-105/3.5 is very high (as is the build
> quality of its sibling, the A 28-135/4, which I do prefer to it).
> The 35-105 is a lot heavier, of course.  (Hmmm... I guess a couple
> of users have had problems with the 35-105/3.5 staying parfocal when
> zooming, but I had never noticed that problem with the samples that
> I had used.)
> 
> The 35-105 has a better telephoto range than the 35-70.  <vbg>
> 
> The A 35-70/4 has a much nicer "macro" function than the A
> 35-105/3.5.
> 
> There is less barrel distortion at the wide end with the 35-105/3.5
> than with the 35-70/4 (whose 35mm barrel distortion is its worse
> trait, in my opinion).
> 
> Fred
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:59:35 -0500
> From: Andre Langevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: 500/4.5 for 6x7
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> >Just in case you missed it there was a 500/4.5 Takumar with 6x7 mount on
> >eBay (auction now ended)
> >
> >http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3852266761
> >
> >I've heard about this lens but it doesn't appear in any of the catalogs that
> >I have seen. In experiments with my own SMCT 500/4.5 I couldn't get the
> >image circle to cover 6x7 so I thought it might be a myth. But no, here it
> >is. The final price of $1725 is about three times what I would expect for a
> >500/4.5 Takumar (i.e. no SMC) so somebody looks to have paid a great deal
> >for a rarity.
> >
> >Paul Ewins
> >Melbourne, Australia
> 
> It is the 500mm lens for 35mm cameras fitted with an appropriate 6X7 
> adapter.  This 500mm lens can fill a 6X7 film without vignetting but 
> its angle of view would be much larger than on a 35mm camera.  Very 
> versatile lens.  But here you need the proper adapter(s).
> 
> Andre
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:03:12 +0000
> From: Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Pentax KA lenses:  what's good and what lasts?
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> Hi,
> 
> > Another question:  is the KA 35-105/3.5 either a) as good as,
> > b) about the same, or c) not quite as good as -- the KA 35-70/f4?
> 
> > Let the experts Now Rage Forth, far... far.... better, than
> > ever before.
> 
> I'm not an expert any more (if I ever was one), but I'll give it a
> try based on personal experience of those I owned:
> 
> A 20/2.8 - excellent, well built, easy to handle
> 
> A 24/2.8 - excellent but some very obvious fall-off wide open
> 
> A* 85/1.4 - quite large, can intimidate subjects, superb optically,
> excellent to handle, well built
> 
> A 100/2.8 macro - superb in every way; a real pleasure to use
> 
> A* 135/1.8 - same as the A* 85/1.4, but perhaps slightly less easy to
> handle because of its size
> 
> A* 300/4 - compact, very well built, easy to handle. Some people tell
> me that other 300s are better optically, but I never had cause for
> complaint.
> 
> A 400/5.6 - superb, very easy to use, excellent optical quality, best
> possible build quality.
> 
> I used most of these with LXs. I found that with the larger lenses it
> was pretty much essential to have a winder on the body to get the
> weight distributed in a way I liked.
> 
> A 35-105/3.5 very well built and optically very good, but large and
> heavy so not particularly easy to use. I've never used an A 35-70, but
> I have handled some. They are not as well built as the others I've
> used, and had quite a plasticky feel. In general it felt to me like a
> grade below the A 35-105. But - and this matters - it is much smaller
> and seemed a lot easier to handle, as well as being more discreet
> 
> A 70-210/4 another very well built lens, with excellent optical
> quality and very easy to use
> 
> A 35-135/3.5-4.5. Garbage.
> 
> Another zoom which is worth looking out for is the A 28-135/4. I never
> used one, but again I've played with one and it is very well made - as
> good as any of the others. It is almost exactly the same size and
> weight as my Contax 28-85 lens - so it's big and heavy. But it's
> manageable, and it seems like a pretty good lens if you're only using
> one body, and I would like to have owned one.
> 
> Another one I would like to have had is the SMC A 28-80. I only ever
> had a non-SMC version, which was pretty good, but the SMC one seems to
> be an order of magnitude better. However, I've never even seen one.
> 
> Remember that some of the A lenses are the same as their M
> counterparts. At least according to Cecchi these are the same as the
> M:
> 
> 28/2.8
> 35/2
> 35/2.8
> 50/1.7
> 50/2
> 100/2.8
> 100/4 macro
> 
> 24-50/4
> A* 300/4
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cheers,
>  Bob
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:19:44 -0500
> From: Lon Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: PSLR - more fireworks
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> I don't think that's a problem, Henri.  Those that want
> to respond, will.  Those that don't include you and I.
> 
> Henri Toivonen wrote:
> > Not through mail. PDML is just too active for me to read and look 
> > through everything.
> > So I get my picture-fix elsewhere and just read the interesting stuff.
> > I have about 100 mail just when I wake up, then after school that number 
> > has increased to 200.
> > 
> > Sorry, the PAW-stuff just has to go.
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:12:45 US/Eastern
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Paw Out of service
> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Hi Paul.
> 
> I'm not offended. I rather liked the effect,maybe a bit to much cloud but 
> nice 
> none the
> less. I also liked 
> what Mark did to. The reason i left it in colour is.
> A- changing to B&W never occured to me.LOL
> B- I  liked how the roughness of the wood came through after playing with PS 
> to 
> get the
> scan close to 
> the original slide.With a 8x loop you can see the detail in the wood on the 
> slide,and it
> has a bleached 
> out look from the years.
> 
> Feel free, at least on my Paws,to make any adjustments you think will help. I 
> am 
> open to
> all help.:-)
> 
> Dave Brooks   
> 
>                                       > Sorry - I didn't mean to offend 
> anyone by 
> making those changes - just wanted
> > to produce a sample of what another possibility is in BW.  I'll take it down
> > w/in 24 hours - sooner if Dave would like.
> > 
> >     -P
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 6:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: Paw Out of service
> > 
> > 
> > > "Paul Sorenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Or maybe this - played with it a little in PS Elements.
> > > >
> > > >http://home.earthlink.net/~allaround6/images/kinmount3.jpg
> > >
> > > Yes, the sky is what it really needs. I considered doing that but
> > > thought it might be going a bit too far.
> > >
> > > -- 
> > > Mark Roberts
> > > Photography and writing
> > > www.robertstech.com
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> 
>                               
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:17:45 -0500
> From: Andre Langevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Pentax KA lenses:  what's good and what lasts?
> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> 
> >Remember that some of the A lenses are the same as their M
> >counterparts. At least according to Cecchi these are the same as the
> >M:
> >
> >28/2.8
> >35/2
> >35/2.8
> >50/1.7
> >50/2
> >100/2.8
> >100/4 macro
> >
> >24-50/4
> >A* 300/4
> 
> 28/2 is also in this category.
> 
> But 24-50 M is different from the A version
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Andre
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:18:07 -0600
> From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: cleaning focusing screen / pentaprism
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Hugo Kok"
> Subject: cleaning focusing screen / pentaprism
> 
> 
> > Hello dear people,
> >
> > <tale of woe snipped>
> > Anyway, Hope you guys have some ideas.
> 
> Try drying the bottom of the prism with a cottom swab (Q-Tip). You 
> might leave a few strands of cotton on the prism, but they can 
> usually be blown off.
> The screen is easy to clean, once out of the camera.
> Get a small bottle of distilled water (not purified, but distilled, 
> there is a difference).
> Put a half litre or so of fresh water (distilled isn't necessary) 
> into a bowl with a drop of dish detergent, and mix well.
> Use this solution to clean the screen, in much the same way you would 
> wash dishes. The screen goes into the water, and use your thumb (well 
> wetted and under water at all times) to "scrub" the screen.
> Be gentle.
> Rinse the screen several times in distilled water, and allow to dry.
> When everything is dry, all you will have to do is blow off whatever 
> dust has accumulated on the screen, blow off the underside of the 
> prism and reinstall the screen.
> Use canned air for dusting, as it is clean.
> It's pretty difficult to remove all traces of dust from a viewsceen, 
> it is pretty pernicious stuff.
> 
> William Robb 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:22:40 -0500
> From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: PAW: Reflections of Fall 
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> 
> Please check out
> Check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
> 
>  MZ-S, 70-210mm F, Velvia @ 50.
> 
> Would have been my December PUG if I could get a round tuit.
>  
> Comment: Yea, Nay or otherwise.
> 
> Thanks in advance for looking & commenting.
>  
> Kenneth Waller
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:26:58 -0800
> From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Pentax-A 4/24-50mm vs. Pentax-F 4/24-50mm
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> 
> I'm ignorant, Jens.  I don't even know what an MTF thing is or means.  I
> just look at the results over a period of many photos and negatives. Get a
> feel for how the lens operates, its construction, etc. Truly a worthless
> approach for those who like and believe in numbers. 
> 
> Shel 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Jens Bladt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > It seems they are both rated 2.5 (F) and 2.7 (A) at Photodo.com
> > Not very good. This is only a litle better than the Pentax SMC-FA
> > 28-80/3,5-4,7, which I have owned. It was certainly not outstanding, but
> > still quite usable. I don't know if MTF test can be trusted at all or even
> > taken seriously :-).
> >
> > Jens Bladt
> > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
> >
> >
> > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > Fra: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sendt: 22. november 2004 20:04
> > Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Emne: Re: Pentax-A 4/24-50mm vs. Pentax-F 4/24-50mm
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Shel Belinkoff"
> > Subject: RE: Pentax-A 4/24-50mm vs. Pentax-F 4/24-50mm
> >
> >
> > > Hi Jens,
> > >
> > > it really stunk when the
> > > sun was anywhere near the front of the lens.
> >
> > Thats the smell of melting plastic.
> >
> > William Robb
> >
> >
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:34:01 -0800
> From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: PAW: Reflections of Fall
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> 
> Ken,
> 
> I say Yay overall.  Love the reflections and color in the water. The
> composition is very nice.  Minor wish that the foreground lillypads
> were just a tad sharper.  Nice job!
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Bruce
> 
> 
> Monday, November 22, 2004, 1:22:40 PM, you wrote:
> 
> KW> Please check out
> KW> Check out
> KW> http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
> 
> KW>  MZ-S, 70-210mm F, Velvia @ 50.
> 
> KW> Would have been my December PUG if I could get a round tuit.
>  
> KW> Comment: Yea, Nay or otherwise.
> 
> KW> Thanks in advance for looking & commenting.
>  
> KW> Kenneth Waller
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:40:44 -0800
> From: "Alan Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Broken pop-up flash
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> 
> Quite likely the plastic pin which holds the spring is broken. You can 
> either drill a hole and install a brass pin yourself, or have that part 
> replaced by Pentax.
> 
> Alan Chan
> http://www.pbase.com/wlachan
> 
> >The retractable flash on my Zx-5n seems to have lost it's spring. It pops 
> >up,
> >but no longer locks in the "up" configuration - a not unheard of problem. 
> >For
> >the folks who have experienced this before, what did you do to fix this 
> >problem
> >(besides using a shoe flash)? I am not a mechanically able person. Is this
> >something that Pentax-Colorado fixes and what might it cost?
> 
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