Re: Hot Pixel Survey Results (finally) (was: Dead Pixel Testing)

John Coyle Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:30:30 -0800

Thanks Rob, that's reassuring!

John Coyle Brisbane, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 3:52 PM Subject: Hot Pixel Survey Results (finally) (was: Dead Pixel Testing)

On 11 Dec 2004 at 18:45, John Coyle wrote:

Just ran the Dead Pixel test on my *istD today,following Rob's method, and got zero dead pixels,with 26 hot ones.

Data read out is:
[DeadPixelText]
Version=1.0
Description=Pentax *ist D 11/12/2004
FileType=TIFF
NumBadPixels=26
0=Hot,1921,12,62
1=Hot,2259,142,103
2=Hot,1392,256,120
3=Hot,1391,257,117
4=Hot,1392,257,208
5=Hot,1392,258,121
6=Hot,1865,896,76
7=Hot,1082,970,117
8=Hot,1081,971,117
9=Hot,1082,971,208
10=Hot,1083,971,117
11=Hot,1082,972,117
12=Hot,1998,1090,92
13=Hot,2007,1406,76
14=Hot,772,1483,63
15=Hot,773,1483,90
16=Hot,774,1483,63
17=Hot,399,1529,101
18=Hot,398,1530,100
19=Hot,399,1530,183
20=Hot,400,1530,101
21=Hot,399,1531,101
22=Hot,1032,1625,66
23=Hot,1032,1626,111
24=Hot,1032,1627,66
25=Hot,2135,1962,76

Is this of concern? I'm not noticing any problem with the actual images on screen or in print


Hi John,

Looks to be below average, see the results below:


Method:
10 seconds manual exposure (lens capped)
200ISO
Daylight WB
NR off
Saturation setting (middle)
Sharpness setting (left most)
Contrast setting (left most)
sRGB CS
TIFF L file

Average 40.75

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

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S. Isaac Dealey wrote:

I'm just saying that if the table being inserted into
contains a

no what you said was any session cross the server. that's
wrong.


I was pretty sure I had corrected myself, but that's neither here nor
there...

Do you not consider Oracle a major db? Oracle has
sequences which are
not the same thing. The problem with identities using SQL
Server is

oracle sequences are similar enough to include them.
probably "safer"
than identiy column in that you have to call them before
use, but it
still requires a bit of thought on the developers part
same as identity.

that they're only useful / helpful during the insert --
they're a
hideous, horrible, awful nightmare if you ever have to
try and migrate

yes but that's not a very common occurance. idents work
well enough for
the most part.


Heh... well my own personal experience is that if something is a
nightmare, I will automatically need to use it frequently, no matter
how infrequently anyone else uses it. :P

s. isaac dealey     954.927.5117
new epoch : isn't it time for a change?

add features without fixtures with
the onTap open source framework

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Sam Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I'll go back and all the necessary interpinfo calls, but I feel
compelled to ask: why isn't P2 passed?


P2 is a non-preserved register and as such rather improper to hold the
object throughout a whole method.

... It seems to me quite likely that
most methods will want to know what object they are working on.


Yes. Just use "self" which does all the magic you need inside a ".sub"
that is labeled "method".

.namespace ['c']
.sub m method
    $P4 = P2
    getprop $P5, 'p', $P4
    .return ($P5)
.end


.sub m method
   getprop $P5, 'p', self
   .return ($P5)
.end

leo From jeff Sun Dec 12 08:40:25 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Sun Dec 12 00:40:25 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:40:25 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx127.postini.com ([64.18.0.41] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CdPHF-0006Zb-00 for <[email protected]>; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:40:25 -0800 Received: from source ([166.84.1.74]) by exprod5mx127.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 03:42:59 EST Received: from dont.panix.com (dont.panix.com [166.84.0.211]) by mail3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6814981CE; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 03:42:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id iBC8fij10090 for laceout; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 03:41:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail3.panix.com (mail3.panix.com [166.84.1.74]) by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) with ESMTP id iBC8fgl10085 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 03:41:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by mail3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26ECB9820E for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 03:41:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from modem-2736.aardvark.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.10.176] helo=w6l4s7) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CdPIS-0002jE-1Y for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:41:41 +0000 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: "Jean Nathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [lace] Miss Channer's Mat Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:41:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Jean Nathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List: lace X-pstn-levels: (S:62.37124/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham version=2.64

Evelynn wrote:

<I would love to see Janis Savage's version of Miss Channer's Mat.   Does
anyone know where you can get this pattern? >

For those who've missed previous discussion of this, Ruth Bean, the
publisher if this pricking and the book that accompanies it, have rejected
many requests to republish it and have reminded us of copyright issues for
anyone considering photocopying it. The only legal way to get a copy at the
moment is to buy a secondhand one, and, as it's as rare as rocking horse
dung, it has fetched phenominal prices on the few occasions one has been
auctioned on ebay in the past.

If you're looking for a real challenge rather than this particular mat
there's a Bucks Point pricking of a cope in  "Fine Buckinghamshire Point
Lace Patterns Belonging to the Misses Sivewright and Pope" from the
Springetts. It's an A3 spiral-bound book of prickings only, and the pricking
for half the cope is divided onto 2 pages (obviously centre back to centre
front). There's a photo of the finished item on page 64 of Thomas Wright's
'Romance of the Lace Pillow' attached. When finished, the lower curved edge
of the cape/cope (which I understand is a bishops' cape) measures about 70
inches, and the depth is about 10/11 inches.

The book's got 11 pages, and, as far as I know,  the only photos of the lace
available are one very short piece of an insertion on the first page, a fan
on the front over, and the cope/cape in Thomas Wright's book. Otherwise
you're on your own as to what the finished lace looks like. The book
contains prickings for 17 edgings/insertions, 2 round mats, a fan and the
cope/cape. Price I have for it is 7 GBP plus 2 pounds 25 pence p&p within
the UK. They post worldwide.

I've got a copy of this book just to look at and dream.

To contact David or Christine Springett:

C & D Springett
8 Strath Close
Rugby
Warwickshire CV21 4GA
UK
Tel: +44 (0)1788 544691
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On 11/12/2004, at 2:13 AM, Michael Brian Bentley wrote:

Make sure the program is paused (via Xcode's debugger)?
Press return to bring the prompt up?
Scroll the window to the bottom?
Oh hang, maybe you're talking about how the console used to appear in a drawer I think? Well in 1.5 it appears in a separate window. Go Debug->Console log, and use the separate gdb (or other relevant debugger) console window that appears.

Heath
What I called in my previous note the gdb console is the window you are talking about, the Debugger Console, which shows up when you select Console Log in the Debug menu, or when you click on the (gdb) icon at the top-right of the Debugger Window. The window identifies itself as the Debugger Console in the title bar.

I do not get a gdb prompt in it. The debugger console does not respond to any mouse interactions, it only displays current program status at the very top and that's it. Nothing else appears in the window.

Is there a preferences or configuration file that controls what the Debugger Console window contains? I may have to blow it away to get my gdb prompts back.

Ah, in that case, I'm not sure. But I'd be checking out your gdb installation. Perhaps the program itself is not being invoked properly...

Heath

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Bugs item #1003471, was opened at 2004-08-05 04:42 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by aimacintyre You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=105470&aid=1003471&group_id=5470

Category: Python Interpreter Core
Group: Python 2.3

Status: Closed

Resolution: None Priority: 5 Submitted By: Kirby Kuehl (vacuum) Assigned to: Andrew I MacIntyre (aimacintyre) Summary: Python 1.5.2 security vulnerability still present in 2.3.4

Initial Comment: First off, I realize that Python 1.5.2 is old, I am just reporting it to be thorough.

I was doing a security audit of an application that used this old version of python and found the following bug in the joinpath function.

#0  0xff133bf0 in strncpy () from /usr/lib/libc.so.1
(gdb) bt

#0 0xff133bf0 in strncpy () from /usr/lib/libc.so.1 (gdb) bt #0 0xff133bf0 in strncpy () from /usr/lib/libc.so.1 #1 0x000304e0 in joinpath (buffer=0x83528 'A' <repeats 200 times>..., stuff=0x84140 'A' <repeats 200 times>...) at ./getpath.c:255 #2 0x00030604 in search_for_prefix (argv0_path=0xffbff530 "/opt/OPSW/bin", home=0xff3a0840 'A' <repeats 200 times>...) at ./getpath.c:300 #3 0x00030a48 in calculate_path () at ./getpath.c:481 #4 0x00030e6c in Py_GetProgramFullPath () at ./getpath.c:634 #5 0x0002dcac in _PySys_Init () at sysmodule.c:413 #6 0x0002b414 in Py_Initialize () at pythonrun.c:142 #7 0x0001755c in Py_Main (argc=1, argv=0xffbffcdc) at main.c:245 #8 0x000171f0 in main (argc=1, argv=0xffbffcdc) at python.c:12 #8 0x000171f0 in main (argc=1, argv=0xffbffcdc) at python.c:12 (gdb) frame 1 #1 0x000304e0 in joinpath (buffer=0x83528 'A' <repeats 200 times>..., stuff=0x84140 'A' <repeats 200 times>...) at ./getpath.c:255 255 ./getpath.c: No such file or directory. in ./getpath.c


snippet from Python-1.5.2/Modules/getpath.c :

static void joinpath(buffer, stuff) char *buffer; char *stuff; { int n, k; if (stuff[0] == SEP) n = 0; else { n = strlen(buffer); if (n > 0 && buffer[n-1] != SEP && n < MAXPATHLEN) buffer[n++] = SEP; } k = strlen(stuff); if (n + k > MAXPATHLEN) k = MAXPATHLEN - n; strncpy(buffer+n, stuff, k); buffer[n+k] = '\0'; }

further examining the backtrace:
(gdb) print n
$1 = 4999
(gdb) print k
$2 = -3975

(gdb) print buffer
$4 = 0x83528 'A' <repeats 200 times>...
(gdb) print stuff
$5 = 0x84140 'A' <repeats 200 times>...

if (n + k > MAXPATHLEN) /* NOTE: MAXPATHLEN is 1024 */ k = MAXPATHLEN - n; /* NOTE: here k is 1024 - 4999 which is the -3975 */

Which of course crashes in strncpy(buffer+n, stuff, k);


Thanks,
Kirby Kuehl

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Comment By: Andrew I MacIntyre (aimacintyre)

Date: 2004-12-12 19:43

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OS/2 specific fixes checked in.

As there appears to be no further action required, I'm
closing this item.

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Comment By: A.M. Kuchling (akuchling)
Date: 2004-10-20 22:03

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CVS finally came through, and r234 doesn't seem to report any problems; I put a debug print into joinpath() so I'm sure that it was actually being invoked. So I think this bug no longer applies, in the absence of a transcript demonstrating an actual problem.

I'll reassign this bug to Andrew MacIntyre so that he knows
about the OS/2 overflow and can fix it before his next OS/2
release.


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Comment By: A.M. Kuchling (akuchling)
Date: 2004-10-20 06:41

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OK; I think I've got it working now, and neither 2.4CVS or
2.3-maint run into any problems with the sharefuzz library
in use.  I'm trying to pull the r234 tag, but SF CVS is
being really slow; I'll try it tomorrow.


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Comment By: A.M. Kuchling (akuchling)
Date: 2004-10-20 06:18

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I haven't figured out how to get sharefuzz to work yet, but
did notice one OS/2 specific overflow; around line 3250 of
posixmodule.c, it defines char args[1024], and then does a
strcpy from the COMSPEC env. var. into args.


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Comment By: A.M. Kuchling (akuchling)
Date: 2004-10-20 06:10

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The URL mentioned for sharefuzz seems to be out of date; the
correct location is now
http://sourceforge.net/projects/sharefuzz/ .


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Comment By: Tim Peters (tim_one)
Date: 2004-08-10 04:43

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vacuum, are you saying that sharefuzz provokes an actual bug in Python 2.4a2? In Python 2.3.4?

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Comment By: Kirby Kuehl (vacuum)
Date: 2004-08-10 04:26

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Use the sharefuzz utility that I referenced in another comment. Then call any function that will invoke the joinpath function call.

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Comment By: Tim Peters (tim_one)
Date: 2004-08-10 03:56

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The patch didn't intend to fix a bug that's known to exist. Python 2.0 presumably fixed the bugs here, but in a shaky way, relying on dozens of distinct call sites to establish an undocumented precondition. joinpath() suffers a buffer overrun if the precondition isn't met. The patch verifies that the precondition *is* met, killing the Python process if it's not. That should never happen, but joinpath() is called on so many distinct code paths that "eyeball analysis" is inadequate.

To test the patch, change any of joinpath's call sites to violate the precondition, and see that Python dies then. The OP suggested a driver to provoke an envar attack, in the 2004-08-07 14:15 comment.

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Comment By: A.M. Kuchling (akuchling)
Date: 2004-08-10 03:39

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How would I go about testing the patch?  Where can I find
code that tickles the bug?


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Comment By: Tim Peters (tim_one)
Date: 2004-08-08 11:01

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I checked in the attached patch too. If there's ever another release in the 2.3 line, these patches would make decent backport candidates.

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Comment By: Kirby Kuehl (vacuum)
Date: 2004-08-08 08:19

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As tim_one poin

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Comment By: Tim Peters (tim_one)
Date: 2004-08-08 05:15

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Unassigned myself, since I did all I can here. Someone on Linux should test the patch I attached.

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Comment By: Tim Peters (tim_one)
Date: 2004-08-08 05:13

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I checked in the change to PC/getpathp.c, which is used on Windows. I'm attaching a patch to Modules/getpath.c, which isn't used on Windows (so I can't test it).

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Comment By: Tim Peters (tim_one)
Date: 2004-08-08 04:44

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I'm going to add the panic-check I suggested -- this code is too complicated to have any confidence in "eyeball analysis" over time.

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Comment By: Tim Peters (tim_one)
Date: 2004-08-08 04:39

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Yup, and rev 1.32 intended to plug the envar attack.

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Comment By: Kirby Kuehl (vacuum)
Date: 2004-08-08 04:15

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by exporting environment variables. Check sharefuzz which
can be found here:
http://www.atstake.com/research/tools/index.html#vulnerability_scanning


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Comment By: Tim Peters (tim_one)
Date: 2004-08-08 02:43

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Pretty compilcated internally. A very similar joinpath still exists. While it's not documented or checked, joinpath's code clearly *assumes* strlen(buffer) <= MAXPATHLEN on entry. But it's called from 25 places, and it's not immediately obvious that all call sites guarantee this on all paths.

Rev 1.32 of getpath (for Python 2.0) *intended* to fix buffer overflow problems, mostly by changing unsafe strcpy() calls to strncpy() calls.

This is delicate, though. I'd be a lot happier if joinpath verified that n <= MAXPATHLEN on entry, and called Py_FatalError() if not so (converting a buffer overrun into a bug report).

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Comment By: Michael Hudson (mwh)
Date: 2004-08-08 01:55

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I'm not sure I understand.  How do you get n to be so huge?

At any rate, I don't think the bug is present in modern Python, but until I understand how this one was triggered, I'm not prepared to be sure...

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Here is it:

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk365/technologies_tech_note09186a00800c95bb.shtml

Very good document.

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