Thanks for the ideas and information. Like so many message groups, the off-topic sometimes drifts into a dominant status, so ... I will drop in sometime to see where the group discussions are going. Anyone who wants to say ...whatever... can drop a line to me. Ed Matthew Indianapolis IN [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .

