In a message dated 3/19/2005 1:33:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That is not so any more, Marnie. You have learned a little something over the 
past few years (grin). However being new sometimes allows a fresh way of 
looking at photos. What Shel proposes is the age old way of eliminating 
distracting backgrounds in B&W photography. In this case it would probably be 
effective, 
but then it would look like ten million other jazz photos. Stylistic choices 
in photography are aways a trade off.

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> However, I am the least experienced here, so take with a grain of salt.
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Hehehehe. I guess you have a point. Not anymore...

Okay, then, I like the original better. The crop on Shel's version is too 
tight. I agree with John (forbes) on that. However, I would crop off some of 
the 
top, not all, but some. It's sort of a dead area. But that crop would only 
remove some black and white areas, not any of the players. That is one thing I 
liked about Shel's version, the top was cropped off (and to be honest, I didn't 
spend a lot of time doing a side by side comparison).

I've been thinking about this the last few days. Stand up and say what I 
think regardless of what others say. No matter who the others are. My opinion 
is 
still my opinion, and, may or may not, add to the discussion or give 
insight/input to the shooter. There are plenty others more experienced, but my 
take on 
things is still *my* take.

Thanks for nudging me, graywolf. <g>

A lot of frank's shots are "fresh" or engaging, exactly because they don't 
look like a zillion other photos. There is a certain air of spontaneity and 
naturalness about them. 

And I still like the combo of guitar player and trumpet player the best of 
the three. To me, it looks like something is happening in that photo, while the 
others just look like ho-hum portraits. 

I love the trumpet player's scrunched up forehead. He's working it, man.

Marnie 

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