Isn't it strange how pictures change with context.  To me both this picture and 
the discussion around it changed after the recent school massacre.

Yes, we played war, but now I understand why my parents who had experienced a 
war never liked it.

DagT

> fra: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> dato: 2005/03/22 ti AM 01:15:13 CET
> til: [email protected]
> emne: Re: PESO: "Gotcha" - Jerusalem
> 
> On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:36:46 -0600, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Frank,
> > 
> > In the 50's, all of us kids played WAR.
> > John Wayne was a box office hero in numerous war stories.
> > My dad served in WWII and my uncle Bill was off in the Korean war.
> > By the time we got to the late 60's, it was the Vietnam era...
> > and I didn't want to play war anymore.
> > 
> > We all grew up just fine.  They will too.
> 
> Bob,
> 
> I was born in '56.  We played "war", too.  We also played cowboys and
> Indians.  Our Indians scalped people, and our cowboys shouted racial
> slurs at the Indians.  I owned a Daisy air rifle.  I wanted a BB gun,
> but my parents refused;  they didn't really want to get the air rifle,
> but it was a compromise to shut me up, I guess.
> 
> I'm not saying "it was okay for us when we were kids, but not for kids
> in the new millenium", but lets face it.  These are different times. 
> The word "terrorist" hadn't entered the popular lexicon.  Whatever was
> going on in the Middle East back then was hardly a blip on our radar
> (post Suez Crisis, pre 7 Day War).  Korea was over, Americans were
> still "military advisors" in Vietnam.  The race riots had yet to start
> during the long, hot summers of the mid-to-late sixties.
> 
> It was the Cold War;  we thought we were under seige from 5th
> Columnists everywhere.  Guns and rifles weren't a concern, being nuked
> was.
> 
> It was a different, more innocent time, especially in North America.  
> 
> Look, I know that "boys play war", but that doesn't make it right. 
> Given that 12 year old kids are being shot by soldiers in the country
> that photo was taken in puts "playing war" in a different context than
> it did when we were kids, and in a different context than it does here
> in our countries.
> 
> Children and adults are being shot for throwing rocks at soldiers in
> that country.  Arabs are killing Jews, Jews are killing Arabs.
> 
> I know that Boris will say that it doesn't happen "all that often",
> and I accept that most areas of Israel are in fact safe, most of the
> time.  I'm not saying that Israel is a dangerous place, or that I'd be
> afraid to go there - indeed, I'm going to visit Boris someday, after I
> win the lottery, on my World-Wide PDML Tour!  <vbg>
> 
> But, the facts speak for themselves.  Acts of terror ~do~ happen
> there, and military reprisals are a fact of life (unless our news
> sources are lying...).  In that atmosphere, kids playing with guns
> scares the hell out of me.  If I were their parents, it would scare
> the hell out of me.  If I were an Arab, walking by these (obviously
> Jewish) kids, seeing them with a gun (even at their tender age) would
> scare the hell out of me.  If I were an Arab carrying a gun, being
> scared by these kids with their toy gun...  See where I'm going here?
> 
> Anyway, that's it for me on this.  And, I suppose this should also be
> a reply to Boris, as well.  Sorry if I over-reacted, but if I did, I
> make no apologies for it.  I know we're not supposed to talk about
> guns on this list, and I certainly am not criticizing anyone here who
> likes guns, owns guns, collects guns, is a memeber of the NRA, etc. 
> That's your business, and I'll keep my nose out of it.
> 
> Jostein, again, I thought that was a great photo (the tilt was great,
> BTW - dont' you dare straighten it! <g>).  But if it was a couple of
> kids in California or Norway, it would have been a fun photo.  The
> context in which it was taken, like it or not, puts a whole different
> spin on it.  Great stuff!
> 
> Last post on this subject.  Sorry to have rambled so...
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson
> 
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