Well put Ken, and I'm not trying to stir up contention.
The whole reason I've been a largely transparency shooter, is that the industry, professional photographers, and How-to guides all said 'shooting transparencies eliminates many of the variables from the process as opposed to shooting with negative film', and 'if you want to see your images as captured, and the results of your exposure settings reliably, negative film and processing are too variable to do that'. As a user, I believed and depended on that to be true, and still do.
I'm not implying there's anything wrong with using negative film, obviously. For me, however, I don't totally trust my memory when it comes to exactly how the scene looked when I released the shutter vs. the images I may view days or weeks later. I became accustomed to believing that aside from the attributes of the film itself, Velvia vs. Provia, vs. Kodachrome, and the dynamic range of the film to capture the gamut of light to dark, the transparency was a pretty accurate representation of what I saw. So being somewhat a**l, and a stickler for details, I found transparency films fit the bill.
I realize this is not the only point of view. The other side is, 'if you're happy with the results, hurrah and if you're not happy, adjust it until you are, hurrah'. I don't have a problem with that, it just hasn't been my modus operandi.
In my mind a developed transparency is still more of a standard of sorts, then a RAW file. The RAW file still requires additional processing. Digital seems to be more of a paradigm shift for slide shooters than it is for negative film users.
Anyway, I suspect I've beaten the horse enough... :)
Tom C.
From: Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Taking, Making, Creating Images Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 14:32:43 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Godfrey, this was what I stated -
> To me the point is that the transparency is the first (and for me the > last) generation of the image as I saw it & captured it, whereas the > print & digital RAW are starting points.
I stand behind that statement. A slide is the first generation and yes given the other variables you mentioned, it can be seen differently. But the fact remains it is the first generation. A print from a negative is second generation and includes its own set of variables (neg development, printing process, paper printed on, light viewed under etc). An unaltered RAW file could be first generation. Within the limitations of jpeg, it too, unaltered could be first generation. It's the "rendering" that removes the digital images from first generation.
When I choose the transparancy film (Velvia vs ?) & developing process, I'm basically saying this is the way I want this scene to be recorded in the first place. (I've used the same film and processing outfit for the last 6 to 7 years).
I have a feeling the two camps in this issue will not be changing sides.
Kenneth Waller
