I wasn't going to comment on the photos, but since a discussion of sorts
has opened up around them maybe I can add a thought or two.  One of the
biggest problems I see when using long lenses is that the photographer
loses contact - or never even establishes contact - with the people s/he's
photographing.  I don't mean that you have to become intimate with the
subjects, although getting close enough to establish some intimacy, even
for only a portion of a moment, can only improve one's photographs.  By
being physically closer the photographer is better able to "feel" the
scene, to see small details that may enhance a photograph, and to get a
greater sense of what's taking place between subjects (if there's more than
one in a scene) or the subject and his/her environment.

Being a sniper (I like that term) distances the photographer to the extent
that there's nothing personal about the photos, and, for the most part,
places the photographer so far out of the photographic environment that
there's often more of a voyeuristic feel or sense to the photos than
anything really meaningful.  If you're trying to tell a story with your
camera, which is what I think good photography - certainly good "people"
and portrait photography - is all about, you've got to be close enough to
understand the story yourself, and maybe even close enough that your
subjects can share that story with you.

What Capa said years ago holds true today: "If your photos aren't good
enough, you're not close enough."

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Date: 6/27/2005 6:23:56 AM
> Subject: Long lenses-- was Street Dancers 
>
> In a message dated 6/27/2005 7:15:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> On 6/26/05, David Volkert  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > I don't normally do street  photography (at least I think this can be
> > considered street photography  but the lens is a bit on the large side
> > and it was an event) but the  opportunity presented itself today.
> > 
> >  http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/21768115/
> > *Ist D, Sigma 135-400mm  @ 135mm, F/9.5, and 1/500th
>  
> Yesterday in my comments about the Porto shots, I mentioned that  using a 
> longer lens tends to get us into a sniper mood when we take to the 
streets.  
>  
> Now, I am definitely not an expert in Street Photography, and lots of
what  
> passes for that "genre" I do not get, but before you dismiss the concept,
maybe 
>  you should look at the problems of using a long lens on the streets have 
> caused  in this "nearly there" shot.
>  
> First of all, the horizon is tilted more than 2 degrees.  When working 
with 
> a long lens, it is hard to make framing judgements, as the very act of  
> holding the glass steady is a triumph.  
>  
> The next problem I see is that relying on the autofocus on the two
dancers  
> has lost the focus on the foreground boy, (an important element, IMHO)
and the  
> compression brings the folks walking in the near background right up to
the  
> dancers.  
>  
> In the case of the smiling woman, this isn't too much of a problem, but
the  
> tall guy in the black shirt, the guy with his back to us, and the woman
on the 
>  right verge become distracting elements (Ditto, the red fringe in right  
> frame.)  These elements would be no problem at all if we were shooting 
with, say 
> a 50mm from lots closer. 
>  
> Long lenses have their place, certainly they do.  Football games, air 
shows, 
> birding,  Olympics, auto racing, volcano eruptions, good looking 
bikinied 
> women with big burley boyfriends;  these are all places I would  use a
lens 
> longer than 90 mm.  
>
>
> Regards,  
> Sonny
> http://www.sonc.com
> Natchitoches, Louisiana
> Oldest continuous  settlement in La Louisiane
> égalité, liberté, crawfish
>  


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